Mr. P Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 Serious questions (not being snarky, sincerely asking). 1.) I would like to know which 5A-6A programs have had multiple repeat state championships and/or at least multiple repeat appearances in the State game. 2.) Of those schools: how many are not in close proximity to major metropolitan cities and/or large affluent suburban communities. Again, I'm not doing that thing where someone asks a sarcastic question they already have an answer to. I sincerely don't know the answers to 1. or 2., but I'm trying to find an apples-to-apples comparison to Longview's success/failure in order make some logical inferences.
MattStepp Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mr. P said: Serious questions (not being snarky, sincerely asking). 1.) I would like to know which 5A-6A programs have had multiple repeat state championships and/or at least multiple repeat appearances in the State game. 2.) Of those schools: how many are not in close proximity to major metropolitan cities and/or large affluent suburban communities. Again, I'm not doing that thing where someone asks a sarcastic question they already have an answer to. I sincerely don't know the answers to 1. or 2., but I'm trying to find an apples-to-apples comparison to Longview's success/failure in order make some logical inferences. I can answer #2 and its none...maybe we'll see one this year with Port Neches-Groves....Temple has gone to two title games recently but didnt win either 1
cotton84 Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 12 minutes ago, Mr. P said: Serious questions (not being snarky, sincerely asking). 1.) I would like to know which 5A-6A programs have had multiple repeat state championships and/or at least multiple repeat appearances in the State game. 2.) Of those schools: how many are not in close proximity to major metropolitan cities and/or large affluent suburban communities. Again, I'm not doing that thing where someone asks a sarcastic question they already have an answer to. I sincerely don't know the answers to 1. or 2., but I'm trying to find an apples-to-apples comparison to Longview's success/failure in order make some logical inferences. Midland Lee won it 3 straight years……..Odessa Permian won and lost in back to back years. 1
Mr. P Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, cotton84 said: Midland Lee won it 3 straight years……..Odessa Permian won and lost in back to back years. Thanks... and how recently did Midland-Lee win it back-to-back-to back? Permian?
Lion7000 Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, cotton84 said: Midland Lee won it 3 straight years……..Odessa Permian won and lost in back to back years. Permian hasn’t been relevant in ten years and hasn’t made it out of Bi district or area since early 90s . Lee was twenty years ago. Not a good comparison
cotton84 Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, Mr. P said: Thanks... and how recently did Midland-Lee win it back-to-back-to back? Permian? 1998-1999-2000….Cedric Benson years I believe 1984-1985, I believe. 1
Mr. P Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, cotton84 said: 1998-1999-2000….Cedric Benson years I believe 1984-1985, I believe. Got it, thanks again! 1
Lion7000 Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, cotton84 said: 1998-1999-2000….Cedric Benson years I believe 1984-1985, I believe. STATE CHAMPIONS FOOTBALL. 1965 - 1972 - 1980 - 1984 - 1989 - 1991. STATE FINALISTS FOOTBALL. 1965, 1968, 1970, 1972, 1975, 1980, 1984, 1985, 1989, 1991, 1995.
MattStepp Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Lion7000 said: Permian hasn’t been relevant in ten years and hasn’t made it out of Bi district or area since early 90s . Lee was twenty years ago. Not a good comparison Permian's been to Rd 3 a couple of times but yes not statewide relevant in a while...I assumed Mr. P was talking about the last ten years or so....but I mean if you go back twenty years not sure in 6A/5A (or old 5A/4A) there's been many outside of DFW, Houston, Austin, San Antonio do it....I guess Longview was back-to-back finalist when they lost to Lake Travis... I'm convinced Texas High would have gone back to back in 2003-2004 if the QB didnt get in trouble literally while the team was getting on the bus to play North Crowley lol 3
Mr. P Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 13 minutes ago, MattStepp said: I assumed Mr. P was talking about the last ten years or so.... I don't have an exact timeframe in mind, but I am trying to keep it germane to our present day. There's no reason to go much further back than around the time that the "Texas Miracle" really revved up (circa 2008 to today) because we're really talking about almost a completely different state than today. The population explosions of the metros (plus certain select suburban areas) during that time have irrevocably shaped the landscape of Texas, with various knock-on factors (such as the creation of Class 6A) that shape the current reality of TXHSFB today. 1
Lion7000 Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 19 minutes ago, MattStepp said: Permian's been to Rd 3 a couple of times but yes not statewide relevant in a while...I assumed Mr. P was talking about the last ten years or so....but I mean if you go back twenty years not sure in 6A/5A (or old 5A/4A) there's been many outside of DFW, Houston, Austin, San Antonio do it....I guess Longview was back-to-back finalist when they lost to Lake Travis... I'm convinced Texas High would have gone back to back in 2003-2004 if the QB didnt get in trouble literally while the team was getting on the bus to play North Crowley lol Exactly they usually get passed El Paso but have Slc , Allen, or some big name metroplex team . Great atmosphere there but I much rather have Longview ‘s history.
JohnnyFootball Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Mr. P said: but I'm trying to find an apples-to-apples comparison to Longview's success/failure in order make some logical inferences. No need! We were already told that certain coaches would win no matter what the situations!
Grainraiser Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 I think people forget that there only a handful of truly elite coaches in Texas. Even the elite coaches need to be in the right situation to succeed. Replacing a coach with a 90% winning percentage with the hope that you can do better is just crazy IMHO. Seldom is a program dominant for any length of time. Look at Allen, Judson, HP just to name a few. I can certainly name more programs who have fallen of the map than those who have taken that next step to a championship. Coach Samples like King could never win a championship despite his many close calls. He found a great fit and Duncanville took off. Ever wonder what happened to Skyline after he left. If the mindset is yearly state championship or bust, I can tell which one is going to prevail 99% of the time. 1
JohnnyFootball Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Grainraiser said: I think people forget that there only a handful of truly elite coaches in Texas. Even the elite coaches need to be in the right situation to succeed. Replacing a coach with a 90% winning percentage with the hope that you can do better is just crazy IMHO. Seldom is a program dominant for any length of time. Look at Allen, Judson, HP just to name a few. I can certainly name more programs who have fallen of the map than those who have taken that next step to a championship. Coach Samples like King could never win a championship despite his many close calls. He found a great fit and Duncanville took off. Ever wonder what happened to Skyline after he left. If the mindset is yearly state championship or bust, I can tell which one is going to prevail 99% of the time. Lol I wonder how many Longview fans would've wanted to fire Samples before last season if he had produced similar results at Longview.
AledoAlumni Posted December 2, 2023 Posted December 2, 2023 On 11/24/2023 at 9:48 PM, JohnnyFootball said: Forney will kill Lancaster. Aledo will kill Forney. Aledo will easily win State again. Shame. Guess we will find out. I thought Lancaster was going to win.
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