#1 Carthage vs. #3 Pleasant Grove(2 p.m, Friday @ Longview Pine Tree)

[itsjustfootball]

1 hour ago, SmoakyBandito said:

I think the poster was pointing out that PG having 9 D1 players is a huge exaggeration. I agree. Neither PG or Carthage has ever had 9 D1 players on their roster at the same time. They both might have 3-4…probably not though. I agree with the previous guy. If PG has 9 legit D1 players on their roster Carthage is in a big trouble.

I agree with you, I took the 9 DI players as sarcasm. Every year PG says they have a large amount of DI players. I saw on another thread some dude said 'apparently there is a fetus in PG that already has a DI offer.' LOL that was pretty funny.

[Texlov]

8 hours ago, Sportsguru02 said:

Carthage just so good in the trenches that’s were they seperate themselves from Us and PG

Didn't you think PG was good in the trenches?

[Sportsguru02]

54 minutes ago, Texlov said:

Didn't you think PG was good in the trenches?

I don’t think they’re bad but they definitely not on the same level. Carthage front 7 will be way fresher since they don’t play both ways like PG just my opinion tho.

[KDOGS95]

7 hours ago, cowboyandchrist said:

The Dawg D line and linebackers are better and will show why they are best D line in all of 4A. 

𝐈 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐦𝐞𝐚𝐧𝐭 4aD2  

𝐆𝐨𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐏𝐆 𝐢𝐧 𝐚𝐧 𝐮𝐩𝐬𝐞𝐭 30 - 27

Edited November 19, 2023 by KDOGS95

[itsjustfootball]

3 hours ago, KDOGS95 said:

𝐈 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐦𝐞𝐚𝐧𝐭 4aD2  

𝐆𝐨𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐏𝐆 𝐢𝐧 𝐚𝐧 𝐮𝐩𝐬𝐞𝐭 30 - 27

I don't think it will be considered an upset. This game is such a toss up. But when you brought back as many starters as what PG has, going against such a young team like Carthage, yeah you should be the favorite. Just my opinion. I know PG wants to position it as they are underdogs because Gibson is all about media hype so after the game when he piles on the tears it makes for a greater show.

I will say this, if it's the same officiating crew as last year, I'll take PG easy. It didn't help them last year but I had to stop counting at all the missed calls that went their way. And I don't mean all the holding, I mean obvious PI the whole game, face masks, late hits out of bounds, etc. it was ridiculous especially for a playoff game. Add that to the fact that Carthage has had an issue with penalties this year and it could be ugly.

Pulling for Carthage but thing PG has the edge. 

Edited November 19, 2023 by itsjustfootball

[itsjustfootball]

15 hours ago, Locotaco said:

Who is the underdog in this one?

I don't really thing there is one. But PG is playing the underdog pretty heavy so if they lose oh well but if they win it makes for a bigger media splash. Gibson all about the dramatics.

[PantherNation2015]

9 hours ago, SmoakyBandito said:

I think the poster was pointing out that PG having 9 D1 players is a huge exaggeration. I agree. Neither PG or Carthage has ever had 9 D1 players on their roster at the same time. They both might have 3-4…probably not though. I agree with the previous guy. If PG has 9 legit D1 players on their roster Carthage is in a big trouble.

Off the top of my head, PG #1, 2, 5, 6, 9, 18, & 75 all have either committed or hold at least one D1 offer.

[cowboyandchrist]

4 hours ago, KDOGS95 said:

𝐈 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐦𝐞𝐚𝐧𝐭 4aD2  

𝐆𝐨𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐏𝐆 𝐢𝐧 𝐚𝐧 𝐮𝐩𝐬𝐞𝐭 30 - 27

Nope the D line is the best in both. Kilgore is close on the D line and their secondary is the best. 

[JBizzle]

9 hours ago, HearEmaGrowlin said:

I will respectfully disagree with the “athlete for athlete PG wins” opinion.

Very rarely does anyone out athlete Carthage.

I think you’ll be incorrect on shorter routes from our passing attack.  

Our receivers are long and can run and go up and get it. 
This will be a great game.  I believe our defense will get after PG like they’ve not experienced this season and the Carthage offense we’ll see will be the no nonsense version, which means a power run game, but still with plenty of flare in the passing game.  

I disagree with this. I think Carthage gets "out-athleted" fairly often. I think that the size and toughness in the trenches and the job of the coaching staff makes up for it. And, as I have said many times, what Surratt and company get out of the "non-star" players on their teams is where they set themselves apart.
Also, the term D1 gets thrown out there a lot, but there's a pretty huge difference between an offer from Georgia and an offer from Sam Houston.

[bansheefan03]

38 minutes ago, PantherNation2015 said:

Off the top of my head, PG #1, 2, 5, 6, 9, 18, & 75 all have either committed or hold at least one D1 offer.

U just named every move in except for maybe 1 lol

[BlackShirtD]

42 minutes ago, PantherNation2015 said:

Off the top of my head, PG #1, 2, 5, 6, 9, 18, & 75 all have either committed or hold at least one D1 offer.

That’s 7.   Well then if PG loses with 7 D1 commits seems to be a coaching problem.  LOL.  D-Ville, Desoto & SOC are in the PG category with all those stars.  

[PantherNation2015]

6 minutes ago, BlackShirtD said:

That’s 7.   Well then if PG loses with 7 D1 commits seems to be a coaching problem.  LOL.  D-Ville, Desoto & SOC are in the PG category with all those stars.  

Obviously Carthage has players with D1 offers as well.  A huge difference maker in this game will be from the other players without a D1 offer.    Carthage Jimmy’s & Joe’s are better than PG Jimmy’s & Joe’s.

[Sportsguru02]

44 minutes ago, PantherNation2015 said:

Obviously Carthage has players with D1 offers as well.  A huge difference maker in this game will be from the other players without a D1 offer.    Carthage Jimmy’s & Joe’s are better than PG Jimmy’s & Joe’s.

We don’t agree often but you’re spot on. Also one team has Preston as the defensive coordinator and one don’t. We all like to throw Surratt name out and we forget they have another (Head Coach) if he chose to leave standing on that sideline too.

[PantherNation2015]

10 minutes ago, Sportsguru02 said:

We don’t agree often but you’re spot on. Also one team has Preston as the defensive coordinator and one don’t. We all like to throw Surratt name out and we forget they have another (Head Coach) if he chose to leave standing on that sideline too.

Guru you know if our teams were not in the same district with lots of history we would agree on a lot more than we disagree on.  You are spot on regarding Preston.  In all honesty Carthage probably has 3-4 coaches on staff that would be HC in other places if they chose to leave.

[BevBrownJr]

CHS’s 3rd round playoff record under Coach Surratt is 12-2. The 2 losses were 10 years apart.

2022 - won over Gilmer 28-7

2021 - lost to eventual state champion China Spring 27-17

2020 - won over Salado 35-7

2019 - won over Crandall 52-21

2018 - won over Midlothian Heritage 50-49 (OT)

2017 - won over Silsbee 64-36

2016 - won over Henderson 33-31

2015 - won over defending state champion Navasota 55-48

2014 - n/a (lost in the 2nd round)

2013 - won over Silsbee 49-6

2012 - won over Silsbee 50-21

2011 - lost to Argyle 35-34 (2 OTs)

2010 - won over Dallas Madison 42-13

2009 - won over Caldwell 56-41

2008 - won over Rockdale 55-28

2007 - n/a (lost in the 2nd round)

Edited November 19, 2023 by BevBrownJr

[bansheefan03]

4 minutes ago, BevBrownJr said:

CHS’s 3rd round playoff record under Coach Surratt is 12-2. The 2 losses were 10 years apart.

2022 - won over Gilmer 28-7

2021 - lost to eventual state champion China Spring 27-17

2020 - won over Salado 35-7

2019 - won over Crandall 52-21

2018 - won over Midlothian Heritage 50-49 (OT)

2017 - won over Silsbee 64-36

2016 - won over Henderson 33-31

2015 - won over defending state champion Navasota 55-48

2014 - n/a (lost in the 2nd round)

2013 - won over Silsbee 49-6

2012 - won over Silsbee 50-21

2011 - lost to Argyle 35-34 (2 OTs)

2010 - won over Dallas Madison 42-13

2009 - won over Caldwell 56-41

2008 - won over Rockdale 55-28

2007 - n/a (lost in the 2nd round)

14 was elcampo was prolly one of our worst year under Surratt and 07 was to state champ liberty hill

[Cat51993]

Where can I order Pleasant Grove gear? Black looks way better than Cincinnati Reds red.

[BevBrownJr]

5 hours ago, PantherNation2015 said:

Off the top of my head, PG #1, 2, 5, 6, 9, 18, & 75 all have either committed or hold at least one D1 offer.

What positions do each of them play?

Are all of them seniors?

[PantherNation2015]

12 minutes ago, BevBrownJr said:

What positions do each of them play?

Are all of them seniors?

No 5 & 18 are Jr’s.  Both are DE’s and 5 also plays some TE/Slot WR.  5 is the younger brother of Landon Jackson who plays DE for Arkansas.  He got hurt in the first offensive series for PG last year and did not return.  The others are Sr’s.  QB, RB, LB, DB, OL.

[Cleareyesopenheartcantlose]

15 hours ago, HearEmaGrowlin said:

I will respectfully disagree with the “athlete for athlete PG wins” opinion.

Very rarely does anyone out athlete Carthage.

I think you’ll be incorrect on shorter routes from our passing attack.  

Our receivers are long and can run and go up and get it. 
This will be a great game.  I believe our defense will get after PG like they’ve not experienced this season and the Carthage offense we’ll see will be the no nonsense version, which means a power run game, but still with plenty of flare in the passing game.  

If PG does what they normally do defensively then Carthage will have to go to shorter choice routes, with that being said it depends if Carthage decides rather to double team #5 or not. They typically have him rush wide forcing QBs to step up and another guy is coming.

I just feel Carthage hasn’t run the ball effectively as they have in seasons passed, also it will be interesting to see how losing Matlock affects things. I know they did a lot without him. But you cannot deny the fact when he is in there have been a lot of big plays with him, through the air and on the ground.

[bossman1]

6 minutes ago, Cleareyesopenheartcantlose said:

If PG does what they normally do defensively then Carthage will have to go to shorter choice routes, with that being said it depends if Carthage decides rather to double team #5 or not. They typically have him rush wide forcing QBs to step up and another guy is coming.

I just feel Carthage hasn’t run the ball effectively as they have in seasons passed, also it will be interesting to see how losing Matlock affects things. I know they did a lot without him. But you cannot deny the fact when he is in there have been a lot of big plays with him, through the air and on the ground.

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[bansheefan03]

Where did the Jackson kids transfer from?

[bansheefan03]

2 hours ago, Cat51993 said:

Where can I order Pleasant Grove gear? Black looks way better than Cincinnati Reds red.

Yall are used to loosing big games so should feel right at home on pg side lol

[cowboyandchrist]

17 minutes ago, bossman1 said:

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29 minutes ago, Cleareyesopenheartcantlose said:

If PG does what they normally do defensively then Carthage will have to go to shorter choice routes, with that being said it depends if Carthage decides rather to double team #5 or not. They typically have him rush wide forcing QBs to step up and another guy is coming.

I just feel Carthage hasn’t run the ball effectively as they have in seasons passed, also it will be interesting to see how losing Matlock affects things. I know they did a lot without him. But you cannot deny the fact when he is in there have been a lot of big plays with him, through the air and on the ground.

The Dawgs ran 8 running backs against LE. 
KJ Edwards just got an offer from Georgia to go with a long list of offers. Only a sophomore. Running game is just fine behind a very powerful O line. 

[PantherNation2015]

34 minutes ago, Cleareyesopenheartcantlose said:

If PG does what they normally do defensively then Carthage will have to go to shorter choice routes, with that being said it depends if Carthage decides rather to double team #5 or not. They typically have him rush wide forcing QBs to step up and another guy is coming.

I just feel Carthage hasn’t run the ball effectively as they have in seasons passed, also it will be interesting to see how losing Matlock affects things. I know they did a lot without him. But you cannot deny the fact when he is in there have been a lot of big plays with him, through the air and on the ground.

You are assuming Carthage OT #50 can’t block #5 head up?  Or OT #71 with a back or TE support can’t get it done vs #5 or #18?  And maybe the reason Carthage hasn’t run the ball like year’s past is because they wanted to get the Soph QB more pass attempts to acclimate to the speed and pressure of varsity.  The Dawgs can and will run the ball with force when asked to.  Fri may be the coming out party.  And you do realize Matlock has been playing since District right?  He’s not 100% but has been a nice change of pace for Edwards.  Carthage also has a couple more backs that can shoulder the load of a heavy ground attack if needed.