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15 hours ago, H3llR4z0r said:

Why does going undefeated in the weakest power 5 conference cause you to DESERVE it? Not because you belong there, but because it's "owed" to you. If every power 5 winner went undefeated, someone would still be left out. When people DESERVE to get in, rather than actually being a top 4 team, you get 40 point blowouts, and that's exactly what would happen. It's already happened to FSU before. It's not good for the CFP, it's not good for the fans, and it's just not good football, plain and simple. 

The question is simple, is FSU better than any of the other teams 1-6? Have they done something to make you believe they're good enough to beat any of those 5 teams? That's the question that you have to ask yourself instead of just looking at some bogus inflated record. 

The question is simple, is FSU better than any of the other teams 1-6?  The committee once again said they are the 5th best team.  While most believe that they wouldn't beat Georgia, Oregon, Ohio St etc right now.  While I currently think that all 3 of those schools listed could beat any of the 4 teams in the playoffs.  So take that for what its worth.  

Have they done something to make you believe they're good enough to beat any of those 5 teams?  They literally won all of their games and their conferences.  They did 3 of them with a back up QB and one of those with a 3rd string QB.  So yes, they have done enough to make me think that they are good enough to beat good teams.

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15 hours ago, DannyZuco said:

Then why in the heck is Michigan in the final 4.....talking about inflated---East Carolina, UNLV, Bowling Green, Nebraska, Minnesota, Michigan State......yet and undefeated team, who beat OSU and PSU is ranked.....definitely an inflated record. 

And look at Alabama's cupcake schedule....Middle Tennessee State, Chattanooga, South Florida, Miss St, Auburn, Kentucky, Ark, A&M.....all powerhouses there......and your best answer is Kentucky beat Louisville.....but Alabama has a loss,

FSU might not look great at this time, but they had a month to prepare, to practice, to get somethings worked out, and they went the ENTIRE year without losing.....something 2 of the 4 teams in the "beauty pageant" can't say......I guess next year, we just have Boo and the committee pick the final 12 before the start of the season, and tell everyone to come back and watch in December......sportsmanship and doing your job for 13 weeks doesn't matter, you sound like the Obama administration.....pick the winners and losers....SMH

Throw out the conference opponents.  The win counts, but those are unavoidable games no matter how bad the opponents are. 

I like to look at who they challenged themselves with outside of the familiar. 

Florida State beat LSU and Florida OOC. 

Texas beat Alabama. 

Washington at least played a Big 10 team and a conference champion in Boise St. 

Alabama literally lost to their only OOC opponent with a pulse. 

Georgia played absolute trash OOC. 

Ohio St played absolute trash OOC. 

Michigan played absolute trash OOC.  

The body of work is out there for everyone to see.  The committee was a scam from the beginning.  RIP Mike Leach.

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8 minutes ago, Coach Rab said:

Throw out the conference opponents.  The win counts, but those are unavoidable games no matter how bad the opponents are. 

I like to look at who they challenged themselves with outside of the familiar. 

Florida State beat LSU and Florida OOC. 

Texas beat Alabama. 

Washington at least played a Big 10 team and a conference champion in Boise St. 

Alabama literally lost to their only OOC opponent with a pulse. 

Georgia played absolute trash OOC. 

Ohio St played absolute trash OOC. 

Michigan played absolute trash OOC.  

The body of work is out there for everyone to see.  The committee was a scam from the beginning.  RIP Mike Leach.

Ohio State played Notre Dame at least.

Really the SEC let Florida State down. If LSU and Florida were better it would have helped them.

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1 minute ago, Valhalla said:

Ohio State played Notre Dame at least.

Really the SEC let Florida State down. If LSU and Florida were better it would have helped them.

I missed Notre Dame because of where they squeeze into their schedule.

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1 minute ago, Valhalla said:

Ohio State played Notre Dame at least.

Really the SEC let Florida State down. If LSU and Florida were better it would have helped them.

I think LSU is a top 10 team right now.  It was Florida sucking that hurt.

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16 hours ago, DannyZuco said:

Then why in the heck is Michigan in the final 4.....talking about inflated---East Carolina, UNLV, Bowling Green, Nebraska, Minnesota, Michigan State......yet and undefeated team, who beat OSU and PSU is ranked.....definitely an inflated record. 

And look at Alabama's cupcake schedule....Middle Tennessee State, Chattanooga, South Florida, Miss St, Auburn, Kentucky, Ark, A&M.....all powerhouses there......and your best answer is Kentucky beat Louisville.....but Alabama has a loss,

FSU might not look great at this time, but they had a month to prepare, to practice, to get somethings worked out, and they went the ENTIRE year without losing.....something 2 of the 4 teams in the "beauty pageant" can't say......I guess next year, we just have Boo and the committee pick the final 12 before the start of the season, and tell everyone to come back and watch in December......sportsmanship and doing your job for 13 weeks doesn't matter, you sound like the Obama administration.....pick the winners and losers....SMH

Why is Michigan #4? Quite literally, Michigan's win over Ohio State is more impressive than any win Florida State has had since 2016, and it's not even that crazy. Florida State just literally doesn't play anybody, and it's their own fault. But Michigan has also beat more teams win winning records as well. Michigan won their bowl game in dominating fashion. 

Alabama beat the best team in the country, who is getting robbed even more so than Florida State. They beat 6 teams with winning records, which is even more than FSU did , even after losing a game. I'm not saying that Alabama is the most deserving team of the SEC, but when you beat Georgia, it's hard to argue. 

Do you think the CFP ranks teams how they HYPOTHETICALLY THINK they'll look in a month? What the heck man? Are you reading what you're posting? You say I sound like the Obama administration (whatever that's supposed to mean), but yet you want Florida State to get a CFP bid for being a good sport and bullying the little kids on the playground. Come on man. I don't know who you're trying to convince here but you're going about it all wrong.

I DO hate that Florida State can't prove themselves (which I don't think they could even if they wanted to), but at the end of the day, I don't honestly - and can't even talk myself into believing, that they could compete with anyone really in the top 10. They're just not that good. I don't think they were very good even with Jordan Travis, but without him they're hard to watch. Being undefeated is cool and all, but if they had any real competition scheduled at all, we wouldn't really be having to have this discussion now - and they really don't have anyone to blame but themselves. 

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1 hour ago, Coach Rab said:

The question is simple, is FSU better than any of the other teams 1-6?  The committee once again said they are the 5th best team.  While most believe that they wouldn't beat Georgia, Oregon, Ohio St etc right now.  While I currently think that all 3 of those schools listed could beat any of the 4 teams in the playoffs.  So take that for what its worth.  

Have they done something to make you believe they're good enough to beat any of those 5 teams?  They literally won all of their games and their conferences.  They did 3 of them with a back up QB and one of those with a 3rd string QB.  So yes, they have done enough to make me think that they are good enough to beat good teams.

The argument could be made that any team in the top 25 is a "good team," but I'm talking about winning the national championship, which would be beating great teams. You putting Florida State in the CFP doesn't say "Oh, I think they can beat good teams" - It's saying that you think they could legitimately be the best team in the country. It's okay to say you don't think that. There have been so many times in the past that so many people have been upset that teams like FSU, Notre Dame, and so forth get a shot just because of their record, while knowing they haven't played anyone. If it wasn't bad enough, they lost arguably the best player on the team and their field general. 

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4 minutes ago, H3llR4z0r said:

Why is Michigan #4? Quite literally, Michigan's win over Ohio State is more impressive than any win Florida State has had since 2016, and it's not even that crazy. Florida State just literally doesn't play anybody, and it's their own fault. But Michigan has also beat more teams win winning records as well. Michigan won their bowl game in dominating fashion. 

As already stated, FSU played LSU and won.  That is playing someone.  Michigan's win over an untested Ohio State was not that impressive this year.  Did you see any of Ohio State's games?  They were not anymore impressive than Louisville.  And when they played a good team, Michigan, they were completely outmatched.  They also barely beat Notre Dame.  Nothing impressive about any of Ohio State's 11 wins except that they won the games.  

So if we are saying that beating an Ohio State was impressive, beating Louisville was equally impressive.

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Just now, H3llR4z0r said:

FSU wouldn't beat LSU if they played now though. Not a chance. Jordan Travis was the reason they won that game to begin with. 

What is your point?  You are going by the faulty CFP logic of "Who I think are the best 4 teams in college football right now."  Instead of who earned their way to that position of being in.  The difference between us and you is that we realize the scam that is the CFB Playoff Committee and why they chose those 4 over Florida State.  You fail to acknowledge what the correct and noble choice would be in ANY normal playoff scenario. 

College football is the only sport where the teams that earn it on the field get left out of the playoffs.  

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I am going to move off of FSU for a minute and go back to the actual games.

Michigan vs Alabama-  Easily one of the most controversial games.  However, I believe if Alabama plays offense like they did vs Georgia, Michigan will get sent packing early.  Their ball control, slow-paced, offense will not hold up to how fast Alabama can score on you.  I don't think Michigan will keep up.  If Michigan does control the game and wins, holy crap, will some people start roasting the decision to put Alabama in.  

Washington vs Texas- 2 stud QBs.  Several stud WRs.  Nice offenses all around.  2 solid defenses.  I believe this game decides the national champion.  I am choosing Texas in this one because I believe their defense is physical and fast which will make things more difficult for Washington than they are used to.  I will take Texas 40-38.

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11 minutes ago, Coach Rab said:

What is your point?  You are going by the faulty CFP logic of "Who I think are the best 4 teams in college football right now."  Instead of who earned their way to that position of being in.  The difference between us and you is that we realize the scam that is the CFB Playoff Committee and why they chose those 4 over Florida State.  You fail to acknowledge what the correct and noble choice would be in ANY normal playoff scenario. 

College football is the only sport where the teams that earn it on the field get left out of the playoffs.  

I'm sorry. We'll have to agree to disagree. I have said for years that going undefeated when playing a poopoo schedule should not get you in the CFP, or even the BCS NCG. I have spent so many years being upset because Notre Dame got in and pushed teams that legitimately had shots at winning the NC, that I have to go down with that ship. Florida State would have been this year's Notre Dame, or 2014's Florida State, and I'm just glad the CFP spared us of having to watch that nonsense once again. 

In my eyes, going undefeated against nobodies earns you less than beating contenders, even if you suffer a loss to one along the way. Nobody on FSU's schedule is a contender. Alabama beat 1 team that makes a strong argument for being in the CFP, and lost to a team that's in the CFP. Michigan beat a team that was a CFP contender all season (whether they play anybody or not, OSU is still a contender), and Penn State only lost to those 2 teams, so they could have been a contender in the mix. Washington beat a CFP contender in Oregon twice, when I really didn't think they'd beat them once. Texas could have easily been slotted at 4/5 if they hadn't beaten Alabama. 

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2 minutes ago, Coach Rab said:

I am going to move off of FSU for a minute and go back to the actual games.

Michigan vs Alabama-  Easily one of the most controversial games.  However, I believe if Alabama plays offense like they did vs Georgia, Michigan will get sent packing early.  Their ball control, slow-paced, offense will not hold up to how fast Alabama can score on you.  I don't think Michigan will keep up.  If Michigan does control the game and wins, holy crap, will some people start roasting the decision to put Alabama in.  

Washington vs Texas- 2 stud QBs.  Several stud WRs.  Nice offenses all around.  2 solid defenses.  I believe this game decides the national champion.  I am choosing Texas in this one because I believe their defense is physical and fast which will make things more difficult for Washington than they are used to.  I will take Texas 40-38.

I really wish Texas had gotten to play Michigan. I think Texas matches up super well against them. 

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Just now, H3llR4z0r said:

I'm sorry. We'll have to agree to disagree. I have said for years that going undefeated when playing a poopoo schedule should not get you in the CFP, or even the BCS NCG. I have spent so many years being upset because Notre Dame got in and pushed teams that legitimately had shots at winning the NC, that I have to go down with that ship. Florida State would have been this year's Notre Dame, or 2014's Florida State, and I'm just glad the CFP spared us of having to watch that nonsense once again. 

In my eyes, going undefeated against nobody's earns you less than beating contenders. Nobody on FSU's schedule is a contender. Alabama beat 1 team that makes a strong argument for being in the CFP, and lost to a team that's in the CFP. Michigan beat a team that was a CFP contender all season (whether they play anybody or not, OSU is still a contender), and Penn State only lost to those 2 teams, so they could have been a contender in the mix. Washington beat a CFP contender in Oregon twice, when I really didn't think they'd beat them once. Texas could have easily been slotted at 4/5 if they hadn't beaten Alabama. 

Michigan's schedule is a poo poo schedule.  

Georgia's schedule is a poo poo schedule.  

Already documented all of this.  

What do all of the top 4 teams in the playoffs have in common?  They only beat 1 top 10 team all season.  Having a 💩 schedule is a staple of being selected by these country club goons.

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2 minutes ago, H3llR4z0r said:

I really wish Texas had gotten to play Michigan. I think Texas matches up super well against them. 

I would give Texas a 10 point spread over Michigan.  Alabama's QB is too much of a wild card for me.  I think Bama will be more of a 4 point favorite.

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12 minutes ago, H3llR4z0r said:

I'm sorry. We'll have to agree to disagree. I have said for years that going undefeated when playing a poopoo schedule should not get you in the CFP, or even the BCS NCG. I have spent so many years being upset because Notre Dame got in and pushed teams that legitimately had shots at winning the NC, that I have to go down with that ship. Florida State would have been this year's Notre Dame, or 2014's Florida State, and I'm just glad the CFP spared us of having to watch that nonsense once again. 

In my eyes, going undefeated against nobodies earns you less than beating contenders, even if you suffer a loss to one along the way. Nobody on FSU's schedule is a contender. Alabama beat 1 team that makes a strong argument for being in the CFP, and lost to a team that's in the CFP. Michigan beat a team that was a CFP contender all season (whether they play anybody or not, OSU is still a contender), and Penn State only lost to those 2 teams, so they could have been a contender in the mix. Washington beat a CFP contender in Oregon twice, when I really didn't think they'd beat them once. Texas could have easily been slotted at 4/5 if they hadn't beaten Alabama. 

What a waste, a sheep of the talking heads, you will never see the truth, national championships should be earned over a 13 game schedule, not by some "judges" deciding that you are the best looking at the end of the year. Wasting time chatting with people who only listen to ESPN and their commentators is worthless.....I hope you are not a coach at any level, because I would hate to hear you tell your team that just went undefeated throughout the season, there are no playoffs for you, because those guys in a room in Grapevine don't think you can win.....your wins weren't pretty enough......

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12 minutes ago, DannyZuco said:

What a waste, a sheep of the talking heads, you will never see the truth, national championships should be earned over a 13 game schedule, not by some "judges" deciding that you are the best looking at the end of the year. Wasting time chatting with people who only listen to ESPN and their commentators is worthless.....I hope you are not a coach at any level, because I would hate to hear you tell your team that just went undefeated throughout the season, there are no playoffs for you, because those guys in a room in Grapevine don't think you can win.....your wins weren't pretty enough......

If this happened in Texas High School football, it would start a Texas civil war and the complete dismantlement of the UIL.

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39 minutes ago, DannyZuco said:

What a waste, a sheep of the talking heads, you will never see the truth, national championships should be earned over a 13 game schedule, not by some "judges" deciding that you are the best looking at the end of the year. Wasting time chatting with people who only listen to ESPN and their commentators is worthless.....I hope you are not a coach at any level, because I would hate to hear you tell your team that just went undefeated throughout the season, there are no playoffs for you, because those guys in a room in Grapevine don't think you can win.....your wins weren't pretty enough......

I'm not saying that going undefeated isn't impressive. But who you play matters, as it should. You can't really make the comparison at the high school level, because more teams get in the playoffs than teams that don't. But how many teams do you see win a state championship that have a loss? You telling me those teams shouldn't have gotten a shot to begin with because they possibly played a tougher schedule than a team that didn't have any losses? It's not necessarily about how "pretty" the wins are, but about who you actually beat, or if they even have a pulse. I don't understand how we can not be on the same page here. FSU is ranked 55 in strength of schedule. Michigan #51 so I'll give you that, but they dominated down the stretch and are healthy. Washington #8, Alabama #6, Texas #2. 

I'm trying to understand, I really am, but the circumstances matter - or at least they should. SoS matters. Injuries matter. Timing matters. Maybe it should, maybe it shouldn't. I hate it for Georgia too. I'd be willing to guarantee they'd be a favorite against any team in the playoff right now, but 1 slip up in a 30 game stretch can be costly. 

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4 minutes ago, H3llR4z0r said:

 But how many teams do you see win a state championship that have a loss? You telling me those teams shouldn't have gotten a shot to begin with because they possibly played a tougher schedule than a team that didn't have any losses? 

Here is where your argument, well your "talking head" comments go by the wayside.......While those teams may have lost a game during the season....they made the playoffs because they WON their district......there are SET playoff entry rules in high school sports throughout the country, even in North Dakota or Colorado, their playoffs are based on winning their district or conference. Plus, in Texas and most states, things are set up where there are actual rules to follow for ties....such as head to head, point differentials, and last but not least, my favorite in Texas is the coin flip.....usually done in 3 way ties.....

College Division 1A does NOT have those types of criteria, they have a "committee" that decides who makes the "beauty pageant", their rules are built to make sure that the SEC is involved in EVERY and ANY playoff scenario.......

In most sports, you do your job, you at least get into the playoffs, unless you are not part of the SEC in College Division 1A. 

I know of a team that lost to my high school, they were the undefeated state champs the year before, they lost to us, then went on to win another state championship. We lost 1 district game, back when only one team went to the playoffs, and never got to play them again. Again, the rules were used and a real playoff existed, even in the 1970s & 80s.

But NCAA Football Division 1A can't figure out how to have a real playoff system? Something that Division 1AA has been doing since 1978? And you keep insinuating that they did the correct thing......yes they did, they made sure the SEC was represented, because that is their bread and butter for financial gain......the same reason we have tons of stupid bowl games now, with terrible TV ratings, because bowl committees continue to pay under the table. 

You've got your "Beauty Pageant".....hope that the SEC gets beat in both their games, just for spite.

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9 minutes ago, DannyZuco said:

Okay so I get it. I get what you're saying. I guess we're arguing over different variations of the same thing. I'm not saying that the entire thing isn't a rigged sham. I'm not the almighty, but this entire situation may just be all business. 

But I'm also saying... I think the 4 teams that are in it, are 4 of the 5 best teams in the country, and I don't think FSU is one of them - conferences, business, gimmicks aside. I still don't think that being undefeated earns you an unprecedented slot in the CFP, as I've argued this for years about Notre Dame. 

I get why people can be so upset with the committee though being who's actually in the CFP. I'm sure it does make it a lot easier for them when the outlier will substantially increase revenue. 

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2 minutes ago, DannyZuco said:

Here is where your argument, well your "talking head" comments go by the wayside.......While those teams may have lost a game during the season....they made the playoffs because they WON their district......there are SET playoff entry rules in high school sports throughout the country, even in North Dakota or Colorado, their playoffs are based on winning their district or conference. Plus, in Texas and most states, things are set up where there are actual rules to follow for ties....such as head to head, point differentials, and last but not least, my favorite in Texas is the coin flip.....usually done in 3 way ties.....

College Division 1A does NOT have those types of criteria, they have a "committee" that decides who makes the "beauty pageant", their rules are built to make sure that the SEC is involved in EVERY and ANY playoff scenario.......

In most sports, you do your job, you at least get into the playoffs, unless you are not part of the SEC in College Division 1A. 

I know of a team that lost to my high school, they were the undefeated state champs the year before, they lost to us, then went on to win another state championship. We lost 1 district game, back when only one team went to the playoffs, and never got to play them again. Again, the rules were used and a real playoff existed, even in the 1970s & 80s.

But NCAA Football Division 1A can't figure out how to have a real playoff system? Something that Division 1AA has been doing since 1978? And you keep insinuating that they did the correct thing......yes they did, they made sure the SEC was represented, because that is their bread and butter for financial gain......the same reason we have tons of stupid bowl games now, with terrible TV ratings, because bowl committees continue to pay under the table. 

You've got your "Beauty Pageant".....hope that the SEC gets beat in both their games, just for spite.

Yeah but you can be a 4th seed and get in the playoffs here. You don't have to win district. 1st place seeds get knocked out all the time because they play in weak districts. ACC is weak. It's the weakest P5 this season by a margin. 

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15 minutes ago, H3llR4z0r said:

Yeah but you can be a 4th seed and get in the playoffs here. You don't have to win district. 1st place seeds get knocked out all the time because they play in weak districts. ACC is weak. It's the weakest P5 this season by a margin. 

I think the ACC and Big 12 are pretty equal.

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