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STATE FINAL 4AD2 - Gilmer vs Bellville


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Gilmer vs Bellville  

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3 hours ago, cowboyandchrist said:

I am still looking for teams that the Belleville offense scored all those points on that are in the same hemisphere as Carthage, Kilgore, Chapel Hill, and PG. If any of the teams mentioned and will include Gilmer had played the same schedule. How many points would they have scored and given up. 
The two teams Belleville played in Jasper and Wimberley, the Belleville out put went way down and almost got beat. 

they scored 61 on silsbee and called off the dogs early second half.  Silsbee was ranked 2nd in the state I believe, and that group of seniors went 25-2 the last two years in one of the tougher districts in the state, with a trip to the state quarters last season.  Bellville almost got beaten by Jasper?  They beat them by 4 scores, and jasper is dang good.  If gilmer gives up points the way they have all season, Bellville might push 70.  I get that Gilmer beat Carthage, but the word all over the state has been this was the year to beat Carthage, which proved true.  They shouldn't have made it as far as they did.  And finally, I've also never seen a fan base put so much value in losing to teams.  over and over in this thread "the bellville offense didn't score all those points on teams in the same hemisphere as carthage, killgore, chapel hill, and PG".  Neither did Gilmer against two of them, and the two games they did put up points against those caliber teams they gave up 71 and 44.   Silsbee, Wimberly, and Jasper would be competitive with all the teams you mentioned.  I fell into the trap of "Bellville played a crappy schedule" as well until they boatraced a bunch of really good teams from down my way in the playoffs and made it to the finals.  Anyone predicting a blowout win for Gilmer is in for a surprise.  I wouldn't be particularly shocked if Bellville blows Gilmer out, but realistically I'll take bellville by 17-21 points.

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1 minute ago, bullets13 said:

they scored 61 on silsbee and called off the dogs early second half.  Silsbee was the #2 team in the state, and that group of seniors went 25-2 the last two years in one of the tougher districts in the state, with a trip to the state semis last season.  Bellville almost got beaten by Jasper?  They beat them by 4 scores, and jasper is dang good.  If gilmer gives up points the way they have all season, Bellville might push 70.  I get that Gilmer beat Carthage, but the word all over the state has been this was the year to beat Carthage, which proved true.  They shouldn't have made it as far as they did.  And finally, I've also never seen a fan base put so much weight on losing to teams.  over and over in this thread "the bellville offense didn't score all those points on teams in the same hemisphere as carthage, killgore, chapel hill, and PG".  Neither did Gilmer against two of them, and the two games they did put up points against those caliber teams they gave up 71 and 44.  And I assure you Silsbee, Wimberly, and Jasper would compete with all the teams you mentioned.  I fell into the trap of "Bellville played a crappy schedule" as well until they boatraced a bunch of really good teams from down my way in the playoffs and made it to the finals.  Anyone predicting a blowout win for Gilmer is in for a surprise.  I wouldn't be shocked if Bellville blows Gilmer out, but realistically I'll take bellville by 17-21 points.

No blowout predictions from me.  I think this is the offensive slugfest the SC fans have been waiting for.  Combined points could be 100+.  I expect a great game.

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37 minutes ago, cowboyandchrist said:

I am with you 89Falcon, I have not made any predictions. I am pulling for Gilmer and believe they can win. 
we will no soon enough. 
I am excited to see this game. 

Bellville looks like Carthage with their color scheme. They could potentially run away with their offense. The defense is far better imo. Gilmer will have to play with discipline. 

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31 minutes ago, PantherNation2015 said:

No blowout predictions from me.  I think this is the offensive slugfest the SC fans have been waiting for.  Combined points could be 100+.  I expect a great game.

I sure hope so. Chapel Hill was so disappointing seeing in live.

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4 hours ago, blesseddaily said:

Well, Liberty Hill has won a couple of state championships as well as multiple district championships and deep runs in the playoffs using that "civil war era" offense at the 5A level !!! 

If you are a good coach you have to match the style of offense with the players/talent level you have to work with. There is absolutely nothing worse that watching a team try to run a spread type offense without the players to run it properly. The Slot T and its many variables are extremely difficult offenses to stop. They can successfully burn the play clock, thus limiting the other teams possessions. You can have the fastest, most talented team but if your offense is sitting on the sideline watching the "four yards and a cloud of dust" offense march down the field, you will lose. 

No doubt it can be effective. If a team is good enough to win state titles at the 4 and 5a levels I would wager that they have plenty of enough talent to spread it out. 

For one, they would have a great O line, and that's the hardest part. If you can get the big boys up front there are plenty of people that can run, catch and throw. 

That's not always the case in the smaller classifications. 

I'm actually watching Bellville warmup right now and they ran a few pass plays. They even lined up in the spread and ran some plays. 

I can promise you, they are capable. 

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4 hours ago, 89Falcon said:

If you "have experience with both", you would not be referring to the Slot T as "ancient" and you would know that the majority of the plays are not "up the gut". 

I've been involved with the straight T, Wing T, and slot T. 

I just watched Bellville warm up, and it's an old school style of play based on running between the tackles. So yea, up the gut. 

I know you troll here a lot. You were the same guy that said Benny Smith would never see the field is Carhage. 

He was first team all district and made several plays throughout the year. 

Like I told you when you were trolling me back early in the season. The kid is gifted. Just wait until he learns how to play. 

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I took Gilmer in my Pick-ems.  I think they will find ways to counter Bellville's defense and actually just outscore Bellville.  I don't think Gilmer will be able to stop Bellville's scoring, but will get some stops.  And then they will have a gameplan to use those quickhitters to neutralize that BigBoy in Bellville's defense.  Gilmer needs to use its speed to its advantage today......and I think that will happen enough to pull out a win in a very close game.

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4 hours ago, 89Falcon said:

No doubt, "3 yds and a cloud of dust offense" that has scored more points and gained more yards than any team in the state including Gilmer. Hopefully they can hobble in and make it a game. 

Line up two teams that are fairly matched in size and skill, and it's 3 yards and a cloud of dust. With way more injury probabilities and not much fun to watch. 

 

 

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4 hours ago, blesseddaily said:

Well, Liberty Hill has won a couple of state championships as well as multiple district championships and deep runs in the playoffs using that "civil war era" offense at the 5A level !!! 

If you are a good coach you have to match the style of offense with the players/talent level you have to work with. There is absolutely nothing worse that watching a team try to run a spread type offense without the players to run it properly. The Slot T and its many variables are extremely difficult offenses to stop. They can successfully burn the play clock, thus limiting the other teams possessions. You can have the fastest, most talented team but if your offense is sitting on the sideline watching the "four yards and a cloud of dust" offense march down the field, you will lose. 

They aren't hard to stop at all if you have a decent defense. 

It's much harder to stop when the athletes are spread out. 

When they are stacked in tight 2/3rds of the defensive coordinators worries are eliminated. 

It's actually an easy week of preparation. It's just a matter of getting man handled or not. 

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11 minutes ago, Gen7Dragon said:

I've been involved with the straight T, Wing T, and slot T. 

I just watched Bellville warm up, and it's an old school style of play based on running between the tackles. So yea, up the gut. 

I know you troll here a lot. You were the same guy that said Benny Smith would never see the field is Carhage. 

He was first team all district and made several plays throughout the year. 

Like I told you when you were trolling me back early in the season. The kid is gifted. Just wait until he learns how to play. 

Understood, what plays were running during warmup?

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