Lobo97 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 46 minutes ago, trueblue82 said: This ^. It’s my belief that if Kirby Smart is willing to stay at UGA until he’s 60, he has the potential to eclipse Saban in wins and championships. But if there aren’t significant rules changes that lighten the load on college coaches and their staffs, I don’t see him staying that long. I don’t doubt that he could have probably already made the move to the NFL if he wanted to, but he is the kind of guy that is going to be very choosy about it if he ever does. I don’t see him going to Cleveland the next time that job opens up. Coaching in the college ranks is a year round grind now. It's also a far more stressful one now with NIL and the portal. That, in itself, could be the reason more college coaches start bolting for the NFL. It already pushed Saban to retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobo97 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 In addition to that, the NFL IS the top of the mountain when it comes to football leagues. Your goal in high school is to play in college. Your goal in college is to play in the NFL. There are coaches who also feel the same way. Winning the Super Bowl IS a bigger accomplishment than winning the National Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue82 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 1 hour ago, Lobo97 said: In addition to that, the NFL IS the top of the mountain when it comes to football leagues. Your goal in high school is to play in college. Your goal in college is to play in the NFL. There are coaches who also feel the same way. Winning the Super Bowl IS a bigger accomplishment than winning the National Championship. While I agree with you, I do believe that there are some guys who have what it takes to be great in college but not in the NFL. Example: Tim Tebow is regarded as one of the best college football players of all time, yet everyone doubted him making it big in the NFL and they were right. Saban will go down in history as one of the greatest college coaches of all time, but I think he knew before anyone else did that he wasn’t cut out for the NFL. I think Sark would be successful in the NFL, in the right situation. There are some NFL teams that I don’t think will ever be consistent winners due to bad management. I like Sark so I hope, if he does decide to make the jump, that he waits for the right spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobo97 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 26 minutes ago, trueblue82 said: While I agree with you, I do believe that there are some guys who have what it takes to be great in college but not in the NFL. Example: Tim Tebow is regarded as one of the best college football players of all time, yet everyone doubted him making it big in the NFL and they were right. Saban will go down in history as one of the greatest college coaches of all time, but I think he knew before anyone else did that he wasn’t cut out for the NFL. I think Sark would be successful in the NFL, in the right situation. There are some NFL teams that I don’t think will ever be consistent winners due to bad management. I like Sark so I hope, if he does decide to make the jump, that he waits for the right spot. Agree 100%. I also think the longer a coach stays in college, the harder the transition to the NFL. The college coaches that have done the best in the NFL are those that went early on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 On 8/13/2024 at 6:19 PM, Baron said: ??? Robinson IS a thoroughbred. Had Herman not been a mensa idiot Robinson would have a few hundred more career yards. His YPC avg. is second only to Vince Young. Brooks had 1139 yards in 10 games while sharing the load with Baxter in at least six games. One last factoid. Texas as a whole had 2638 rushing yards last year. Like I said ... that's water under the bridge .... they need a stud RB NOW ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle34 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 8 hours ago, Lobo97 said: Why wouldn’t he? Big name college HC’s get offered NFL HC jobs all the time. Heck, even Kliff Kingsbury was highly sought after, and he wasn’t even that successful in college. If Texas has a great year and NFL teams call him, it won’t be for a coordinator position, it’ll be for an open HC job. The $ has changed Lobo. More $ in the College game. No reason to leave. Players are easier to manage in the College game and you get to pick your own talent!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WETSU Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 8 hours ago, eagle34 said: The $ has changed Lobo. More $ in the College game. No reason to leave. Players are easier to manage in the College game and you get to pick your own talent!! That is what I think keeps a lot of coaches in the college game. I don’t think someone like Saban and Smart who thrive on collecting as much talent as possible are good fits for the nfl where they have salary cap restrictions and a GM loading a roster for them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valhalla Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, WETSU said: That is what I think keeps a lot of coaches in the college game. I don’t think someone like Saban and Smart who thrive on collecting as much talent as possible are good fits for the nfl where they have salary cap restrictions and a GM loading a roster for them. College Football is trending more this way. The game is not the same game it was even 4 years ago. Saban/Smart built their rosters before open season for transfers really took off. Edited August 15 by Valhalla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted August 15 Author Share Posted August 15 On 8/13/2024 at 8:33 PM, KirtFalcon said: All that is water under the bridge ... we are talking about the here and now, grasshopper ...... Does that make you a weedhopper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted August 15 Author Share Posted August 15 On 8/13/2024 at 8:46 PM, trueblue82 said: I have a question: looking at the schedule and talent on the roster and where they are in terms of the program under Sark’s guidance, this has the potential to be a banner year for UT. If that happens, it’s inevitable that Sark has the opportunity to look at an NFL job. Whether he would take it or not is something I really don’t feel qualified to answer. Does anyone think he would leave for the NFL? It’s hard to imagine him leaving for another college program. He seems like a good fit at UT and in Austin, but does he still have that desire to coach in the pros? We may find out later this year. Why would he give up control of who the incoming players are and shaping the roster how he wants it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted August 15 Author Share Posted August 15 20 hours ago, KirtFalcon said: Like I said ... that's water under the bridge .... they need a stud RB NOW ..... You can't get one now. There aren't any in the portal and it's closed to new entries unless a coach leaves a team or gets fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue82 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 1 hour ago, Baron said: Why would he give up control of who the incoming players are and shaping the roster how he wants it? Maybe because he values the allure of coaching at the highest level of the game. Honestly, I don’t know the man and am not familiar enough with his background to know these things. I know for years it was something of an offseason routine to speculate on the possibility of Nick Saban taking a swing at the NFL again. Having read a lot about him and heard him speak on the subject many times, I felt very confident that Alabama would be his last coaching job. I firmly believe that Sark has all of the tools to be successful in the college or pro ranks. I was just curious about what the UT fans thought about it. Personally, I hope he stays at UT for several years. College football is more fun to watch when top programs like Texas, OU, BAMA and LSU are playing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted August 16 Author Share Posted August 16 26 minutes ago, trueblue82 said: Maybe because he values the allure of coaching at the highest level of the game. Honestly, I don’t know the man and am not familiar enough with his background to know these things. I know for years it was something of an offseason routine to speculate on the possibility of Nick Saban taking a swing at the NFL again. Having read a lot about him and heard him speak on the subject many times, I felt very confident that Alabama would be his last coaching job. I firmly believe that Sark has all of the tools to be successful in the college or pro ranks. I was just curious about what the UT fans thought about it. Personally, I hope he stays at UT for several years. College football is more fun to watch when top programs like Texas, OU, BAMA and LSU are playing well. I'm not saying he wouldn't go to the NFL, but all successful coaches are control freaks. I think Sark would need to be GM as well as HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bordertown Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 I was catching up on the thread and was amused over the Lion7000 still being upset by the way Schloss “lied” and left the next day to Texas. How Elko hiring was different even though he said he wasn’t leaving Duke. Reading between the lines, Elko was a man of integrity and Schloss was vermin. As I continued my browsing of the net, the attached 247Sports article crossed my feed (funny how the internet is one step ahead). I was aware of Jay Norvell’s (Ram Coach) accusations to schools tampering with his players. Today, the school that prides itself on honor and integrity was named as one of the schools tampering. Just reporting the news. https://247sports.com/college/colorado-state/article/colorado-state-football-players-claim-sec-big-12-programs-offered-six-figure-nil-deals-in-tampering-schemes-234782642/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 12 hours ago, Baron said: Does that make you a weedhopper? No, it makes me yo Daddy .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 12 hours ago, Baron said: You can't get one now. There aren't any in the portal and it's closed to new entries unless a coach leaves a team or gets fired. There has to be someone out there that realizes a playoff caliber team is in need of their services .... I guess it comes down to timing rules with the transfer portal .... Texas may just have to just play the hand they've been dealt this year .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion7000 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 10 hours ago, bordertown said: I was catching up on the thread and was amused over the Lion7000 still being upset by the way Schloss “lied” and left the next day to Texas. How Elko hiring was different even though he said he wasn’t leaving Duke. Reading between the lines, Elko was a man of integrity and Schloss was vermin. As I continued my browsing of the net, the attached 247Sports article crossed my feed (funny how the internet is one step ahead). I was aware of Jay Norvell’s (Ram Coach) accusations to schools tampering with his players. Today, the school that prides itself on honor and integrity was named as one of the schools tampering. Just reporting the news. https://247sports.com/college/colorado-state/article/colorado-state-football-players-claim-sec-big-12-programs-offered-six-figure-nil-deals-in-tampering-schemes-234782642/ Was slimy the way he went about it. If you’re leaving that is fine just don’t lie about it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topher805 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 12 hours ago, bordertown said: I was catching up on the thread and was amused over the Lion7000 still being upset by the way Schloss “lied” and left the next day to Texas. How Elko hiring was different even though he said he wasn’t leaving Duke. Reading between the lines, Elko was a man of integrity and Schloss was vermin. As I continued my browsing of the net, the attached 247Sports article crossed my feed (funny how the internet is one step ahead). I was aware of Jay Norvell’s (Ram Coach) accusations to schools tampering with his players. Today, the school that prides itself on honor and integrity was named as one of the schools tampering. Just reporting the news. https://247sports.com/college/colorado-state/article/colorado-state-football-players-claim-sec-big-12-programs-offered-six-figure-nil-deals-in-tampering-schemes-234782642/ Schloss and Elko were both dirty in their move. It's part of the game now. The issue that most have with Schloss is the timing. This isn't the first or second time he has done this. He did it when he left UNLV for TCU, and again when he left TCU for A&M. What could have been done, was for Schloss to tell Del Conte to hold off on the firing of Pierce. I guarantee Schloss had the pull to get that moved until ANY day after Game 3. Regardless, Schloss and Del Conte have a close friendship and working relationship that will pay dividends. A&M made a home run hire for the short term that could catapult the program. Both teams are in great shape for the upcoming season. Time to move on... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bordertown Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 1 hour ago, topher805 said: Schloss and Elko were both dirty in their move. It's part of the game now. The issue that most have with Schloss is the timing. This isn't the first or second time he has done this. He did it when he left UNLV for TCU, and again when he left TCU for A&M. What could have been done, was for Schloss to tell Del Conte to hold off on the firing of Pierce. I guarantee Schloss had the pull to get that moved until ANY day after Game 3. Regardless, Schloss and Del Conte have a close friendship and working relationship that will pay dividends. A&M made a home run hire for the short term that could catapult the program. Both teams are in great shape for the upcoming season. Time to move on... I guess you didn’t read the accusation of the Colorado St coach about tampering with a star player by A&M that had not entered the transfer portal. That was the integrity I was referring. I believe it could have been handled better by all involved on the Schloss move. I disagree on “holding off on firing of Pierce”. It was not fair to Pierce to delay. It gave him a chance to potentially land somewhere during peek musical coaching chairs. The hiring could have been delayed 24 hours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobo97 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 3 hours ago, topher805 said: Schloss and Elko were both dirty in their move. It's part of the game now. The issue that most have with Schloss is the timing. This isn't the first or second time he has done this. He did it when he left UNLV for TCU, and again when he left TCU for A&M. What could have been done, was for Schloss to tell Del Conte to hold off on the firing of Pierce. I guarantee Schloss had the pull to get that moved until ANY day after Game 3. Regardless, Schloss and Del Conte have a close friendship and working relationship that will pay dividends. A&M made a home run hire for the short term that could catapult the program. Both teams are in great shape for the upcoming season. Time to move on... It's been part of the game for some time. This is the point I've previously tried making. Saban did it when he left LSU for the NFL. He did it again when he left the NFL for Alabama. No one here is calling him 'slimy'. Elko did it when he left Duke for A&M. Once again, the same people calling Schloss 'slimy' are not calling Elko slimy. I wonder why? Which is the other point I've made...it only matters to some when Texas is involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topher805 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 1 hour ago, bordertown said: I guess you didn’t read the accusation of the Colorado St coach about tampering with a star player by A&M that had not entered the transfer portal. That was the integrity I was referring. I believe it could have been handled better by all involved on the Schloss move. I disagree on “holding off on firing of Pierce”. It was not fair to Pierce to delay. It gave him a chance to potentially land somewhere during peek musical coaching chairs. The hiring could have been delayed 24 hours. I can agree on not being fair to Pierce, but doing it on the same day the NC was being decided? That was a subtle jab...IMO...Hiring Schloss became the worst kept secret in College Baseball before Pierce was even fired. Not fair to Pierce or the A&M players. Not absolving Elko for how he handled things either. He is in the same book as Schloss on how he handled things. Recruiting players without being in the portal isn't anything new. Not right, but someone has to turn them in to the NCAA if they want it to stop. Then again, if you turn someone in, you better make sure you are running a clean ship yourself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion7000 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 1 hour ago, Lobo97 said: It's been part of the game for some time. This is the point I've previously tried making. Saban did it when he left LSU for the NFL. He did it again when he left the NFL for Alabama. No one here is calling him 'slimy'. Elko did it when he left Duke for A&M. Once again, the same people calling Schloss 'slimy' are not calling Elko slimy. I wonder why? Which is the other point I've made...it only matters to some when Texas is involved. He was slimy for that. Say No comment or not at this time. Not flat out Bill Clinton waving your finger and do that the following day! How do you look a recruit in the eye . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobo97 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 27 minutes ago, Lion7000 said: He was slimy for that. Say No comment or not at this time. Not flat out Bill Clinton waving your finger and do that the following day! How do you look a recruit in the eye . And that's fine if you feel that way, but call out all the other coaches (including your own) when they do it too. Don't just call out the ones that leave for Texas. THAT is my point. By the way, Mack Brown did call out Elko for doing the very same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion7000 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 3 hours ago, Lobo97 said: And that's fine if you feel that way, but call out all the other coaches (including your own) when they do it too. Don't just call out the ones that leave for Texas. THAT is my point. By the way, Mack Brown did call out Elko for doing the very same thing. I don’t care that he left . Don’t say the opposite then leave! I can’t understand why you don’t think that is bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobo97 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 7 minutes ago, Lion7000 said: I don’t care that he left . Don’t say the opposite then leave! I can’t understand why you don’t think that is bad? I never said it wasn’t bad. Again, my primary point has been the same, if you’re going to call out one coach, then call out each one that’s done it; not just the one at the school you hate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now