Cat51993 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 How does a committee every make the assumption a kid is not moving for athletic reasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonG Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, UnclePigg said: Ese takeover…happening at a lot of once proud Texas high school programs Damn. Well we are next to . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playactionpass39 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 46 minutes ago, Cat51993 said: How does a committee every make the assumption a kid is not moving for athletic reasons? Not always, but usually, the previous school checks the box that says "moved for athletic purposes." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnclePigg Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 2 hours ago, VonG said: Damn. Well we are next to . No le gusta football; mucho mucho le gusta futbol! In all honesty man it is sad to see the number of once dominant Texas HS teams that are no longer relevant because of this…and it’s only going to get worse. Sad but true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jubilant Posted March 4 Author Share Posted March 4 2 minutes ago, UnclePigg said: No le gusta football; mucho mucho le gusta futbol! In all honesty man it is sad to see the number of once dominant Texas HS teams that are no longer relevant because of this…and it’s only going to get worse. Sad but true How long since Jacksonville was dominant? And I just read an article a little over a week ago, that listed Jacksonville as one of the top 10 worst towns to live in Texas. Maybe they just wanted out of there!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobuxs Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 On 3/1/2024 at 6:33 PM, jubilant said: Gilmer has a state championship winning QB returning. How's that gonna play out. It's 2006 all over again. Interesting situation, but by no means is this kid GJ Kinne 45% completion rating 10 TD 8int 7 game starter 0-7. Hard to put him ahead of current guy that just won state weather he wants to play the position or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Rab Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 22 hours ago, thefirsttimer said: You mean there is already a way to have school choice? There has always been school choice. Now they are just trying to find a way to pay people for votes. How many transfers actually get denied for athletic purposes. There are very few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BevBrownJr Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 21 hours ago, sumitstock said: The good news is tennison didn't want to play quarterback last year and is very happy now he can play defense full time This is hard to figure. Tennison appeared to this Carthage fan to be an outstanding high school QB last December in the regional championship game. Not very many kids who can play that position that well don’t want to play it. I would guess he’s looking ahead to college ball, but he should enjoy his senior year of high school football IMHO. There will be plenty of time for college football later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
903RedRaiders Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 I like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumitstock Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 hours ago, BevBrownJr said: This is hard to figure. Tennison appeared to this Carthage fan to be an outstanding high school QB last December in the regional championship game. Not very many kids who can play that position that well don’t want to play it. I would guess he’s looking ahead to college ball, but he should enjoy his senior year of high school football IMHO. There will be plenty of time for college football later. Carthage game was his best game of the year..maybe it was just that Carthage wasn't that good..lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jubilant Posted March 5 Author Share Posted March 5 51 minutes ago, sumitstock said: Carthage game was his best game of the year..maybe it was just that Carthage wasn't that good..lol Oh you had to go there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonG Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 hours ago, sumitstock said: Carthage game was his best game of the year..maybe it was just that Carthage wasn't that good..lol Damn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnclePigg Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 18 hours ago, jubilant said: How long since Jacksonville was dominant? And I just read an article a little over a week ago, that listed Jacksonville as one of the top 10 worst towns to live in Texas. Maybe they just wanted out of there!!! Now that you mention it I remember that same article. I knew a guy that coached there 2008-2009ish and he said he had cafeteria duty; said it was labeled “combat pay” on his check stub. I’m sure he was exaggerating a bit, but probably wasn’t too far off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Woodrow F. Call Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Jacksonville is a no win situation. They will not see the success of the 90's/Early 2000s for a very long while, if ever. Demographics have changed the landscape of JISD. I think their freshman team has some talent/pieces to be somewhat decent but you have to keep that group together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnclePigg Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 34 minutes ago, Captain Woodrow F. Call said: Jacksonville is a no win situation. They will not see the success of the 90's/Early 2000s for a very long while, if ever. Demographics have changed the landscape of JISD. I think their freshman team has some talent/pieces to be somewhat decent but you have to keep that group together. No win is an understatement…56% Hispanic, 79% at risk, and 78% economically disadvantaged students spells disaster for not only the football teams, but pretty much all sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGodfather Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 5 hours ago, UnclePigg said: Now that you mention it I remember that same article. I knew a guy that coached there 2008-2009ish and he said he had cafeteria duty; said it was labeled “combat pay” on his check stub. I’m sure he was exaggerating a bit, but probably wasn’t too far off. Pigg the Godfather interviewed and was offered at Jacksonville but chose to stay the course at the Cush because of getting to work with fine folks such as yourself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnclePigg Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 16 minutes ago, TheGodfather said: Pigg the Godfather interviewed and was offered at Jacksonville but chose to stay the course at the Cush because of getting to work with fine folks such as yourself! Many moons ago my friend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavchamp Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 I think blaming demographics for the downfall of s school's football program is pedestrian at best and lazy at the worst. If the hispanic population isn't coming out for football ......that's on the coaching staff and the community for not nurturing the sport across all demographics. There are plenty of schools in East Texas that have incorporated the hispanic community into football with success..... Longview, Tyler, Marshall, Lufkin, Texas High, Mount Pleasant, Nacogdoches.... every one of those schools have hispanic populations well over 30%....some closer to 40 (or higher). 8 year old hispanic boys will be just as excited about playing little league football as a white kid or a black kid if the community, the leagues, and the coaching staffs are doing their jobs. I don't live in Jacksonville.....I don't know much about the state of things in the city nor the school district.... but when I see a school with such a high population with such a low participation.... I have to wonder...... is the coaching staff actively recruiting said demographic? Have the "powers that be" (boosters, businesses, fans, etc) strangled out said demographic? Something isn't adding up when you look at other schools with similar numbers but very different results.... And we've all seen the assumptions on statewide forums that hispanic kids simply "can't" play football. Too small. No interest. They point to the fact that El Paso and the Rio Grand Valley has been shut out of the state title talk for decades...... it's a bad assumption IMHO. But it's out there.... There are lots of poor kids in ETX. Lots of hispanic kids in ETX. And there's plenty of both playing at successful football programs IN EAST TEXAS. Sounds like Jacksonville needs to step up their game to appeal to the demographic that's growing the quickest in their city. JMHO. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonG Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 How many Hispanics are actually good at football besides being the punter or kicker? If you are not better than the players on the team. What good is it to have you dressed out just sitting on the sidelines. Just having a bunch of players on the sidelines who are not good enough to get on the field does the team no good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHDog77 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) CHISD is approximately 50% Hispanic. Only yielded a starting kicker, an OL, and a few backups. Jacksonville HS has the enrollment of a 5A school but the football talent of a small 4A at best. There's probably a reason south Texas schools never compete for any state football championships. Edited March 6 by CHDog77 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckNut Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 On 3/5/2024 at 4:33 PM, Mavchamp said: I think blaming demographics for the downfall of s school's football program is pedestrian at best and lazy at the worst. If the hispanic population isn't coming out for football ......that's on the coaching staff and the community for not nurturing the sport across all demographics. There are plenty of schools in East Texas that have incorporated the hispanic community into football with success..... Longview, Tyler, Marshall, Lufkin, Texas High, Mount Pleasant, Nacogdoches.... every one of those schools have hispanic populations well over 30%....some closer to 40 (or higher). 8 year old hispanic boys will be just as excited about playing little league football as a white kid or a black kid if the community, the leagues, and the coaching staffs are doing their jobs. I don't live in Jacksonville.....I don't know much about the state of things in the city nor the school district.... but when I see a school with such a high population with such a low participation.... I have to wonder...... is the coaching staff actively recruiting said demographic? Have the "powers that be" (boosters, businesses, fans, etc) strangled out said demographic? Something isn't adding up when you look at other schools with similar numbers but very different results.... And we've all seen the assumptions on statewide forums that hispanic kids simply "can't" play football. Too small. No interest. They point to the fact that El Paso and the Rio Grand Valley has been shut out of the state title talk for decades...... it's a bad assumption IMHO. But it's out there.... There are lots of poor kids in ETX. Lots of hispanic kids in ETX. And there's plenty of both playing at successful football programs IN EAST TEXAS. Sounds like Jacksonville needs to step up their game to appeal to the demographic that's growing the quickest in their city. JMHO. Well said, I bet Ennis is very similar to Jacksonville demographically and they seem to do fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnclePigg Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 On 3/5/2024 at 4:33 PM, Mavchamp said: I think blaming demographics for the downfall of s school's football program is pedestrian at best and lazy at the worst. If the hispanic population isn't coming out for football ......that's on the coaching staff and the community for not nurturing the sport across all demographics. There are plenty of schools in East Texas that have incorporated the hispanic community into football with success..... Longview, Tyler, Marshall, Lufkin, Texas High, Mount Pleasant, Nacogdoches.... every one of those schools have hispanic populations well over 30%....some closer to 40 (or higher). 8 year old hispanic boys will be just as excited about playing little league football as a white kid or a black kid if the community, the leagues, and the coaching staffs are doing their jobs. I don't live in Jacksonville.....I don't know much about the state of things in the city nor the school district.... but when I see a school with such a high population with such a low participation.... I have to wonder...... is the coaching staff actively recruiting said demographic? Have the "powers that be" (boosters, businesses, fans, etc) strangled out said demographic? Something isn't adding up when you look at other schools with similar numbers but very different results.... And we've all seen the assumptions on statewide forums that hispanic kids simply "can't" play football. Too small. No interest. They point to the fact that El Paso and the Rio Grand Valley has been shut out of the state title talk for decades...... it's a bad assumption IMHO. But it's out there.... There are lots of poor kids in ETX. Lots of hispanic kids in ETX. And there's plenty of both playing at successful football programs IN EAST TEXAS. Sounds like Jacksonville needs to step up their game to appeal to the demographic that's growing the quickest in their city. JMHO. Yeah maybe in region 4! If you think demographics don’t lead to the demise of a football program then all I can say is you’re not paying much attention; how many Hispanic players are playing in the NFL, or better yet how many have you seen playing in AT&T stadium the second week in December? They’re good at soccer, baseball, distance running.That being said, there’s not a thing wrong with that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattStepp Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 11 hours ago, BuckNut said: Well said, I bet Ennis is very similar to Jacksonville demographically and they seem to do fine. Ennis ISD 56.6% hispanic 27.5% white 13.1% black 49.4% at-risk 100% econ disadvantaged (not sure if TX Tribune has that right lol or maybe Ennis offers free lunch to all students) Still similar demos to Jacksonville and Ennis is in DFW playing in generally tougher districts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnclePigg Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 I could be wrong; I don’t think Ennis is near what they were several years back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat51993 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Jacksonvilles main problem imo has nothing to do with demographics. Yes the lack of participation from the Hispanic population hurts. For the past 4 years the 7 and 8 grade teams have been undefeated. Win track meets regularly in middle school. So it's safe to say we have athletes. What is lacking is working hard in the weight room. Keeping players engaged in the program. Putting people in the right position for the team to win. Community support with the coaches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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