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So, if Trump wins, it is not cheating, but if he doesn't, it is? Do I have that right? And look at the VP hopefuls toadying up to subvert the process, if need be. 

(Washington Post)

MAGA Republicans are already doubting the 2024 election results
Donald Trump’s potential vice presidents want to be clear: They do not stand for democracy.


By Eugene Robinson
Columnist

May 9, 2024 at 5:44 p.m. EDT
Don’t say they didn’t warn us. If Donald Trump loses again to Joe Biden in November, the attempt by MAGA Republicans to overturn the result — in essence, to negate the will of the voters — could be even worse than last time.


Trump’s denial of his 2020 defeat has had a deeply corrosive effect on our democracy, with a majority of Republicans still deluded into believing the election was stolen. The damage might be ameliorated if prominent GOP officials, who do know better, at least expressed confidence in the democratic process and pledged to accept the outcome of this year’s vote, no matter who wins.

Surely, that’s not too much to ask of men and women who owe their jobs to the same electoral system that Trump claims is hopelessly corrupt. Right?

Wrong. Witness the pathetic performance by Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday. Host Kristen Welker tried six times to get Scott to say, yes or no, whether he would accept the result of the November election. Scott refused to give an answer. Instead, he served up a heaping bowl of word salad, tossed with a vinaigrette of oil and ambition.


“This is an issue that is not an issue so I’m not going to make it an issue. ... At the end of the day, the 47th president of the United States will be President Donald Trump. And I’m excited to get back to low inflation, low unemployment. ... I’m not going to answer your hypothetical question when, in fact, I believe the American people are speaking today on the results of the election.”

Scott’s evasiveness is understandable because he is auditioning to be Trump’s running mate, but it is not excusable. He knows that cases of proven voter fraud — or even formally alleged voter fraud — are vanishingly rare. He knows that recounts and audits consistently show that votes are tallied accurately. He knows that all the conspiracy theories about the 2020 election spun by MAGA fabulists such as Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell have been proved utterly false and, in some cases, expensively defamatory. Still, with his nonanswers, the senator undermines the legitimacy of U.S. democracy.

Other Republicans hoping to be Trump’s vice-presidential choice have been equally shameless. North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum was shifty on CNN’s “State of the Union” when asked about the possibility of violence if Trump loses, declining to answer and instead saying he is “looking forward to next January when Vice President Harris certifies the election for Donald Trump.” Rep. Elise Stefanik (N.Y.) said she would have to “see if this is a legal and valid election” before voting to certify the November result.


And Rep. Byron Donalds (Fla.) went even further — all the way to 2028. He said that if he were the sitting vice president at the time of that year’s election, he would decline to certify the results “if you have state officials who are violating the election law in their states.” In other words, he would do what Vice President Mike Pence quite properly refused to do: impose Trump’s will over that of the American people.


All of this could be written off as nothing more than politicians being craven — hardly a new phenomenon — if not for the damage it does. A sobering study released last month by the Stavros Niarchos Foundation SNF Agora Institute at Johns Hopkins University found that 62 percent of Republicans and 22 percent of independents believe Trump was the “legitimate” winner in 2020. Hardly any Democrats share that view.


Those “deniers” add up to about one-third of voters overall. If that much of the electorate believes a presidential election was stolen — despite multiple recounts and dozens of court cases proving it was not — we have a serious problem.


The Johns Hopkins study concludes: “A political party that has undermined its own voters’ faith in elections is a destabilizing force in a democracy — especially one in which only two parties are realistically competing. The strong viewpoints that deniers hold, and the distinctive identity that they have formed, demonstrate that reviving our democracy will require more than any given result at the ballot box, or providing accurate information to voters on how the election process works. It will require a functioning, responsible conservative party that still believes in democracy.”

No such party now exists in U.S. politics. And for that failing, Trump is only partly responsible.

No one is forcing Republicans such as Scott, Burgum, Stefanik and Donalds to pretend to believe Trump’s lies. No one is forcing them to weaken faith in our elections. Whatever happens in the days and weeks after Election Day, many leading Republicans deserve to share the blame.

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12 minutes ago, Monte1076 said:

If Trump wins the Presidential election, will you accept the results without question? And will you be critical of anyone who doesn't?

And if he loses, answer those questions yourself. 

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46 minutes ago, BarryLaverty said:

Yep. Probably. 

 

45 minutes ago, BarryLaverty said:

And if he loses, answer those questions yourself. 

Within the realm of reason, yes. To both.

Though this November I won't be voting for him or Joe Biden. That I know with certainty.

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4 hours ago, BarryLaverty said:

So, if Trump wins, it is not cheating, but if he doesn't, it is? Do I have that right? And look at the VP hopefuls toadying up to subvert the process, if need be. 

(Washington Post)

MAGA Republicans are already doubting the 2024 election results
Donald Trump’s potential vice presidents want to be clear: They do not stand for democracy.


By Eugene Robinson
Columnist

May 9, 2024 at 5:44 p.m. EDT
Don’t say they didn’t warn us. If Donald Trump loses again to Joe Biden in November, the attempt by MAGA Republicans to overturn the result — in essence, to negate the will of the voters — could be even worse than last time.


Trump’s denial of his 2020 defeat has had a deeply corrosive effect on our democracy, with a majority of Republicans still deluded into believing the election was stolen. The damage might be ameliorated if prominent GOP officials, who do know better, at least expressed confidence in the democratic process and pledged to accept the outcome of this year’s vote, no matter who wins.

Surely, that’s not too much to ask of men and women who owe their jobs to the same electoral system that Trump claims is hopelessly corrupt. Right?

Wrong. Witness the pathetic performance by Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday. Host Kristen Welker tried six times to get Scott to say, yes or no, whether he would accept the result of the November election. Scott refused to give an answer. Instead, he served up a heaping bowl of word salad, tossed with a vinaigrette of oil and ambition.


“This is an issue that is not an issue so I’m not going to make it an issue. ... At the end of the day, the 47th president of the United States will be President Donald Trump. And I’m excited to get back to low inflation, low unemployment. ... I’m not going to answer your hypothetical question when, in fact, I believe the American people are speaking today on the results of the election.”

Scott’s evasiveness is understandable because he is auditioning to be Trump’s running mate, but it is not excusable. He knows that cases of proven voter fraud — or even formally alleged voter fraud — are vanishingly rare. He knows that recounts and audits consistently show that votes are tallied accurately. He knows that all the conspiracy theories about the 2020 election spun by MAGA fabulists such as Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell have been proved utterly false and, in some cases, expensively defamatory. Still, with his nonanswers, the senator undermines the legitimacy of U.S. democracy.

Other Republicans hoping to be Trump’s vice-presidential choice have been equally shameless. North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum was shifty on CNN’s “State of the Union” when asked about the possibility of violence if Trump loses, declining to answer and instead saying he is “looking forward to next January when Vice President Harris certifies the election for Donald Trump.” Rep. Elise Stefanik (N.Y.) said she would have to “see if this is a legal and valid election” before voting to certify the November result.


And Rep. Byron Donalds (Fla.) went even further — all the way to 2028. He said that if he were the sitting vice president at the time of that year’s election, he would decline to certify the results “if you have state officials who are violating the election law in their states.” In other words, he would do what Vice President Mike Pence quite properly refused to do: impose Trump’s will over that of the American people.


All of this could be written off as nothing more than politicians being craven — hardly a new phenomenon — if not for the damage it does. A sobering study released last month by the Stavros Niarchos Foundation SNF Agora Institute at Johns Hopkins University found that 62 percent of Republicans and 22 percent of independents believe Trump was the “legitimate” winner in 2020. Hardly any Democrats share that view.


Those “deniers” add up to about one-third of voters overall. If that much of the electorate believes a presidential election was stolen — despite multiple recounts and dozens of court cases proving it was not — we have a serious problem.


The Johns Hopkins study concludes: “A political party that has undermined its own voters’ faith in elections is a destabilizing force in a democracy — especially one in which only two parties are realistically competing. The strong viewpoints that deniers hold, and the distinctive identity that they have formed, demonstrate that reviving our democracy will require more than any given result at the ballot box, or providing accurate information to voters on how the election process works. It will require a functioning, responsible conservative party that still believes in democracy.”

No such party now exists in U.S. politics. And for that failing, Trump is only partly responsible.

No one is forcing Republicans such as Scott, Burgum, Stefanik and Donalds to pretend to believe Trump’s lies. No one is forcing them to weaken faith in our elections. Whatever happens in the days and weeks after Election Day, many leading Republicans deserve to share the blame.

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5 hours ago, BarryLaverty said:

And if he loses, answer those questions yourself. 

lol he ain’t losing. Landslide victory? I haven’t seen many Biden supporters, heck you don’t even act like you support him. Anti Trump is what for Joe to be the Resident.

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5 hours ago, BarryLaverty said:

And if he loses, answer those questions yourself. 

Only cheating on epic proportions would that happen. This is the reason why Dems are trying so hard to have him jail.

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If we see the same malfunctions and massive votes coming in for either candidate at the last minute then I will doubt it for either Trump or Biden.  If mail in voting is available it will be a landslide for Biden.  

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23 minutes ago, DaveTV1 said:

If we see the same malfunctions and massive votes coming in for either candidate at the last minute then I will doubt it for either Trump or Biden.  If mail in voting is available it will be a landslide for Biden.  

Exactly what we are afraid of . 

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47 minutes ago, Baron said:

As long as he is losing when we all go to bed.

Thanks for the libtard reaction. Its typical.

What happened after 2 AM  in four swing states defies any law of statistics and probability. Especially when a nearly identical number of votes in each state and at about the same time put Obiden ahead of Trump. You have a better chance of winning the lottery twice.

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11 hours ago, Baron said:

Thanks for the libtard reaction. Its typical.

What happened after 2 AM  in four swing states defies any law of statistics and probability. Especially when a nearly identical number of votes in each state and at about the same time put Obiden ahead of Trump. You have a better chance of winning the lottery twice.

All those courts should have consulted with you and your wisdom. Why didn't they? Oh, because it shows a completely oblivious understanding of how votes are counted and how gullible MAGA types have become in believing nonsense. That's probably why not. At least you didn't lose millions like Rudy and the Pillow Man or Fox or lose your ability to practice law like lawyers who pushed this load of #####. 

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50 minutes ago, BarryLaverty said:

All those courts should have consulted with you and your wisdom. Why didn't they? Oh, because it shows a completely oblivious understanding of how votes are counted and how gullible MAGA types have become in believing nonsense. That's probably why not. At least you didn't lose millions like Rudy and the Pillow Man or Fox or lose your ability to practice law like lawyers who pushed this load of #####. 

If the exact same circumstances happened in 2020, except in Republican areas, and Trump won, would you have accepted the results without question?

And what do you think of Congresspeople "objecting" to election certificates from certain states, Republican or Democrat?

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1 hour ago, Doomer said:

Who would want GropinJoeBrandon to get re-elected and why? Open borders, free stuff, gay rights?

Who wants an 'Orange Turd' to be POTUS again and why? :rofl:
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6 minutes ago, BarryLaverty said:

Who wants an 'Orange Turd' to be POTUS again and why? :rofl:
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Before Covid Trump had the economy booming, unemployment was the lowest in decades. Inflation was less than 2%. We were oil independent and exporting. Fuel was $2 less per gallon than during the obama admin., and the border wasn't completely open.

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^ I see your point Barry. Getting a competent upwardly mobile president could possibly disrupt this third world utopia we headed into with the vege-in-chief. Point taken.

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3 hours ago, BarryLaverty said:

All those courts should have consulted with you and your wisdom. Why didn't they? Oh, because it shows a completely oblivious understanding of how votes are counted and how gullible MAGA types have become in believing nonsense. That's probably why not. At least you didn't lose millions like Rudy and the Pillow Man or Fox or lose your ability to practice law like lawyers who pushed this load of #####. 

Hey jack wagon. You don't know me, know my education, experience or my IQ. Your nothing but a pitiful keyboard troll.

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I'm not doubting the election at all, I believe Trump will win with a good elector margin. People have seen what 4 years of Biden is like and I believe there will be a big shift back to Trump, a lot of exceptions where made in the last election due to Covid, that will not be a factor as much in the 2024 election. Most all polls are showing Trump ahead that was not the case in 2020. I am one that don't believe the election was stolen in 2020 but I do believe a lot of things was ignored and Covid was the excuse. Trump will not lose Georgia or Arizona this time around and the current polls shows him leading in the Rust Belt. Nevada is even trending Trump right now. 

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1 hour ago, Baron said:

Hey jack wagon. You don't know me, know my education, experience or my IQ. Your nothing but a pitiful keyboard troll.

But, but, but...

He's an educator! So he KNOWS.

 

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