BarryLaverty Posted May 22 Author Share Posted May 22 1 hour ago, Monte1076 said: The other problem with that meme is that it's not analogous. A better, more fitting analogy is if you wanted to learn golf, but you wanted the private lessons, but had to pay both the private AND public courses. That's a far more apt analogy. Do your taxes allow you to choose to drive on FREE roads? Have the FREE fire department come out to your house? You don't get to pick and choose where your tax dollars go in all cases, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 49 minutes ago, BarryLaverty said: Do your taxes allow you to choose to drive on FREE roads? Have the FREE fire department come out to your house? You don't get to pick and choose where your tax dollars go in all cases, do you? No, and No. Because it's paid for with tax dollars. Ergo, it is not, by definition, free. And neither do you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Coach Rab Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 18 hours ago, DannyZuco said: Ahhh, the RINO comeback, when your argument fails, start insulting. Kirt can’t think for himself. He reads the Republican Bible every day. Today he is quoting from the Book of Abbott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Rab Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 1 hour ago, BarryLaverty said: Do your taxes allow you to choose to drive on FREE roads? Have the FREE fire department come out to your house? You don't get to pick and choose where your tax dollars go in all cases, do you? We shouldn’t need taxes. At least not individual personal taxes IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokedOut Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 On 5/20/2024 at 10:50 PM, KirtFalcon said: Who is for that? Not saying anyone is out right for that but it would inevitably happen. I live in a low economic rural district and that’s what the fear is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyZuco Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 10 hours ago, DAWG91 said: So, let me get this straight. I think this numbskull might finally be getting it. They're taking EVERYONE'S SALE'S taxes, not just PROPERTY taxes, which means, EVERYONE'S got skin in the game now, not just TAX PAYER'S. Even the FREELOADER'S have to pay? Does that about sum it up? If yes, I now understand the outrage. So you are saying that it is okay to take sales tax dollars and just give it to individuals, when police, fire, hospitals, roads, and education need to taken care of, also including state parks and conservation areas and any other public services? So then you have to agree that Greg Abbott is just like Joe Biden, purchasing votes by giving away other people's money. The Texas Taxpayer should NOT be sending money to individuals for "vouchers" for school choice, when we already have school choice...... Tax Dollars are for public services, not individual services.....EVER..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokedOut Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 4 minutes ago, Coach Rab said: We shouldn’t need taxes. At least not individual personal taxes IMO Property taxes are my biggest pet peeve. You never truly own anything. You rent it from the government for the rest of your life. Long after that last mortgage payment is made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAWG91 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 6 minutes ago, DannyZuco said: So you are saying that it is okay to take sales tax dollars and just give it to individuals, when police, fire, hospitals, roads, and education need to taken care of, also including state parks and conservation areas and any other public services? So then you have to agree that Greg Abbott is just like Joe Biden, purchasing votes by giving away other people's money. The Texas Taxpayer should NOT be sending money to individuals for "vouchers" for school choice, when we already have school choice...... Tax Dollars are for public services, not individual services.....EVER..... What I do know, is that the system that's been in place since I was in grade school, "Robin Hood," is inherently marxist, so your railing against Abbott's new "marxist" scheme falls flat. If this means freeloader's can no longer freeload, my gut instinct tells me that's a good thing. The word "free" is subjective. Free to whom? Certainly not the TAXPAYER. It's time freeloaders got skin in the game, don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyZuco Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 17 hours ago, KirtFalcon said: " it takes away from public services....such as police, fire, DPS, Border issues, Highways & roads " .... you have no proof of that ....it's just wild speculation on your part .... you really are worse than Meathead ..... https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/politics/2023/10/24/house-voucher-plan Lawmakers have set aside $500 million for the program, but Creighton says it won’t take money away from public schools because the funding would come from general revenue. Listen, I am not the guy who rides with "meathead" to the rino/demo meetings each week. And this is what was in the house of reps last session.......I even bolded the words for you, so your old rear end could read them. General revenue, comes from General fund, which is "mainly" sales tax dollars. Therefore, when you buy that "snickers" because you are hangry, for $1--your 8 cents in tax revenue goes into the general fund, which is then general revenue.....when general revenue goes to individuals and NOT public services it is called "redistribution of wealth", or like many like to call it "socialism/marxism". So it is NOT speculation, it is the way your RINO governor wants to do things. Purchase votes.....no better than Uncle Joe.....SMH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyZuco Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 3 minutes ago, DAWG91 said: What I do know, is that the system that's been in place since I was in grade school, "Robin Hood," is inherently marxist, so your railing against Abbott's new "marxist" scheme falls flat. If this means freeloader's can no longer freeload, my gut instinct tells me that's a good thing. The word "free" is subjective. Free to whom? Certainly not the TAXPAYER. It's time freeloaders got skin in the game, don't you think? Who are free loaders? I mean everyone that lives in your school district pays Property taxes, whether it is the homeowner or the apartment complex owner........So unless you have a lot of homeless people in your school district....there are NOT freeloaders.... Are some taking advantage of all the social services that schools have to offer. Heck yes, but that comes down from the state and something that needs to enforced better by everyone. But never in the history of Texas should we be taking tax payer funds and just giving them to people for their personal use. I mean should the government give me $10K a year to retire? Or to keep my house painted correctly? or keep my yard mowed? All expenses that I have to deal with, but would rather not have to deal with......Just like Private schools. If you want the expense, fine and dandy....I don't have a problem.....but asking your neighbors and others to pay for it.....wow, you seem to think it is a good thing..... So when the social welfare programs come calling again, please don't complain, because once you agree to one social welfare program, like vouchers, another one is coming, because the government can't save money, it has to spend it. Always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAWG91 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DannyZuco said: Who are free loaders? I mean everyone that lives in your school district pays Property taxes, whether it is the homeowner or the apartment complex owner........So unless you have a lot of homeless people in your school district....there are NOT freeloaders.... Are some taking advantage of all the social services that schools have to offer. Heck yes, but that comes down from the state and something that needs to enforced better by everyone. But never in the history of Texas should we be taking tax payer funds and just giving them to people for their personal use. I mean should the government give me $10K a year to retire? Or to keep my house painted correctly? or keep my yard mowed? All expenses that I have to deal with, but would rather not have to deal with......Just like Private schools. If you want the expense, fine and dandy....I don't have a problem.....but asking your neighbors and others to pay for it.....wow, you seem to think it is a good thing..... So when the social welfare programs come calling again, please don't complain, because once you agree to one social welfare program, like vouchers, another one is coming, because the government can't save money, it has to spend it. Always. Is Robin Hood marxist? Yes or no? Oh and I can think of at least one group of freeloaders...ILLEGALS. Time they had skin in the game too, since our elected leaders are too corrupt and cowardly to do what should be done in the first place, deportation. Edited May 22 by DAWG91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyZuco Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 17 minutes ago, SmokedOut said: Property taxes are my biggest pet peeve. You never truly own anything. You rent it from the government for the rest of your life. Long after that last mortgage payment is made. And I agree, property taxes increase for most of us each year at the maximum....And if the governor or legislature were allowing us to place a portion of our property taxes into an educational savings account or a personal Roth IRA, I would be fine with that. But taking all other revenue from the state and giving it away to individual, it is just WRONG... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyZuco Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 Just now, DAWG91 said: Is Robin Hood marxist? Yes or no? Yes And it should have never happened, and school districts should have sued the heck out of the state. Why should Tyler ISD property tax money go to Colmesneil ISD? It was wrong when they started it, it is wrong today. But in over 30 years, the Texas legislature has yet to come up with an equitable funding for school districts. But they sure know how to take from each one of them. And which party has been in power since the court ruling on district equity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 23 minutes ago, DannyZuco said: school districts should have sued the heck out of the state. They did...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyZuco Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 1 hour ago, RETIREDFAN1 said: They did...... And we still have a broken system in this state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAWG91 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 (edited) 1 hour ago, DannyZuco said: But in over 30 years, the Texas legislature has yet to come up with an equitable funding for school districts. But they sure know how to take from each one of them. And which party has been in power since the court ruling on district equity? Sounds to me like they're working on it now. Surely you're not insinuating Tx education would be better off in the hands of insane democrats. Edited May 22 by DAWG91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyZuco Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 15 minutes ago, DAWG91 said: Sounds to me like they're working on it now. Surely you're not insinuating Tx education would be better off in the hands of insane democrats. Not saying that, but giving people my tax dollars to use as they see fit....that is just as wrong. If you think that ILLEGALS are free loaders, what do you call those that will get $8-10K from you, because they qualify for some sort of voucher that you pay for. Working on it would be: 1. finding an equitable plan to fund students based on how many students each district has, not on ADA (average daily attendance), which if your ADA funding is less than what your school district paid to Austin, that money goes into the general fund. 2. Property tax money from school districts would NEVER have to be shipped to Austin, and then sent back to the school district. 3. The 1/2 billion dollars spent on "testing" would end tomorrow, using the SAT & ACT, and certification exams as a base of whether or not students can qualify for graduation. 4. Allowing local school districts to control their schools, not state involvement into everything, especially discipline matters. And those are all pretty simple things. But it will never happen, because like those "insane" democrats, the GOP wants to control everything they can also, but it seems as though the "religious marxists" are okay with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte1076 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 (edited) 37 minutes ago, DannyZuco said: Not saying that, but giving people my tax dollars to use as they see fit....that is just as wrong. If you think that ILLEGALS are free loaders, what do you call those that will get $8-10K from you, because they qualify for some sort of voucher that you pay for. Working on it would be: 1. finding an equitable plan to fund students based on how many students each district has, not on ADA (average daily attendance), which if your ADA funding is less than what your school district paid to Austin, that money goes into the general fund. 2. Property tax money from school districts would NEVER have to be shipped to Austin, and then sent back to the school district. 3. The 1/2 billion dollars spent on "testing" would end tomorrow, using the SAT & ACT, and certification exams as a base of whether or not students can qualify for graduation. 4. Allowing local school districts to control their schools, not state involvement into everything, especially discipline matters. And those are all pretty simple things. But it will never happen, because like those "insane" democrats, the GOP wants to control everything they can also, but it seems as though the "religious marxists" are okay with that. I think in some cases, Certifications and the SAT/ACT would be more beneficial, anyway. Especially if students were allowed to pursue multiple certifications while they were still in HS. Especially in STEM. I don't know how you'd feel about them partnering with someone like Coursera, but there are all sorts of certifications available across the board that people can get. Or schools that have "auto shop" (pretty sure my old HS did at one point, don't know why they got rid of it) to help kids that might like working on cars head down the road to a becoming an ASE certified mechanic. Or an HVAC tech, or maybe help students get a Microsoft certification, or become Java certified, or any other number of things. Edited May 22 by Monte1076 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 1 hour ago, DAWG91 said: Sounds to me like they're working on it now. Surely you're not insinuating Tx education would be better off in the hands of insane democrats. He is on shaky ground, at best .... and it sounds like he is in denial about a voucher system providing a better educational opportunity for some students .... he's walking the party line with the "teachers union" even though Texas doesn't have one officially .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 1 hour ago, DannyZuco said: And we still have a broken system in this state. So that lawsuit you were clammering about not happening, which actually DID happen, didn't solve one single thing...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETIREDFAN1 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 4 minutes ago, KirtFalcon said: "teachers union" even though Texas doesn't have one officially .... OR unofficially....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyZuco Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 11 minutes ago, RETIREDFAN1 said: So that lawsuit you were clammering about not happening, which actually DID happen, didn't solve one single thing...... I agreed with you, that is why our system is still broken after over 30 years...DUH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyZuco Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 15 minutes ago, KirtFalcon said: He is on shaky ground, at best .... and it sounds like he is in denial about a voucher system providing a better educational opportunity for some students .... he's walking the party line with the "teachers union" even though Texas doesn't have one officially .... Party line....Coming from you....I don't have a party line....I want tax dollars used for public good, not personal individuals bank accounts. But you know that, because you lost this argument about 2 pages ago, when you first chimed in...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 6 minutes ago, DannyZuco said: Party line....Coming from you....I don't have a party line....I want tax dollars used for public good, not personal individuals bank accounts. But you know that, because you lost this argument about 2 pages ago, when you first chimed in...... Son, you are straight up in lock step with the "teachers union" position on this issue .... you won't even touch the possibility of a voucher system providing better educational opportunities for some .... you can't go there, won't go there, .... you got Meathead's deflection and denial strategy down pat ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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