Lion7000 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 3 hours ago, lionpride08 said: That does not mean a lot of 6a schools are good... back in 2016 Franklin beat Navasota 38-22 while Bryan High only beat them 28-14 and was tied going into the 4th quarter... a long td pass deep then a scoop and score in the final minutes is what gave bryan a 2 td win. Every one gets in the 6a hype when most are not even that much better. Sure you have the Westlake, Desoto, N Shore, Duncanville's ect. that are head and shoulders above everyone else. But not much can be said for the whole 6a class. I can agree with that! But winning state in 6a means you have to beat those juggernauts. Carthage ain’t got a prayer! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBizzle Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 I predict Carthage wins this game. I don't care if they can win in a classification they aren't in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionpride08 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 3 hours ago, Lion7000 said: I can agree with that! But winning state in 6a means you have to beat those juggernauts. Carthage ain’t got a prayer! I agree they won't win state in 6a but neither will San Benito. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion7000 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 3 minutes ago, lionpride08 said: I agree they won't win state in 6a but neither will San Benito. I agree but that wasn’t the point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89Falcon Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 4 hours ago, Lion7000 said: I can agree with that! But winning state in 6a means you have to beat those juggernauts. Carthage ain’t got a prayer! Has anyone stated that “Carthage would win state in 6A”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion7000 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Just now, 89Falcon said: Has anyone stated that “Carthage would win state in 6A”. @cowboyforchrist your time sir , but being fair I think it more like 5A! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionpride08 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 12 minutes ago, Lion7000 said: I agree but that wasn’t the point! This game will not be close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion7000 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 4 minutes ago, lionpride08 said: This game will not be close. Depends on what they have coming back! I never heard of them until this year but they were decent last year. Carthage always reloads and has a returning Qb ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bordertown Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 San Benito plays in the RGV which is not known for quality football or much team speed. Last year San Benito beat their neighboring RGV district #4 seeded team only to lose a team from Laredo in the second round. Laredo United lost in their next game to Austin Westlake 59-14. San Benito returns 7 starters. I think Carthage should win by 14 due to their team speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89Falcon Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 50 minutes ago, Lion7000 said: @cowboyforchrist your time sir , but being fair I think it more like 5A! I never heard him say anything about 6A. I do recall 5AD2, I also agree that Carthage could win 5AD2. I feel certain they would roll up 4AD1 as much as they do 4AD2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion7000 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 21 minutes ago, 89Falcon said: I never heard him say anything about 6A. I do recall 5AD2, I also agree that Carthage could win 5AD2. I feel certain they would roll up 4AD1 as much as they do 4AD2. 4a D1 yes 5a please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89Falcon Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lion7000 said: 4a D1 yes 5a please! Carthage is right with best of the best in 5AD2. 100% certainty. Very few 5AD2 could match Carthage on year in year out basis Edited August 1 by 89Falcon 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearEmaGrowlin Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 2 hours ago, 89Falcon said: I never heard him say anything about 6A. I do recall 5AD2, I also agree that Carthage could win 5AD2. I feel certain they would roll up 4AD1 as much as they do 4AD2. Rolled up 4A-D1 just as often as we have D2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HearEmaGrowlin Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, Lion7000 said: 4a D1 yes 5a please! Lion, Carthage was “off” last year and still arguably should’ve won state. We had to shoot ourselves in the foot for Gilmer to beat us and Wimbo in the title game would’ve been just like 2022. Legit, in an off year we still should’ve gone undefeated and won state. 5A-D2, still see zero problems winning state regularly. Jumping up to 5A-D1, yes, much more challenging. All of this really does not matter other than for us to have fun debating it until the season starts and the Bulldogs can play their district schedule and into the playoffs. Again, we’re flattered folks believe in the Dawgs the way we believe in them and we hope to win another 4A state championship this year! Go Dawgs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion7000 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 2 hours ago, 89Falcon said: Carthage is right with best of the best in 5AD2. 100% certainty. Very few 5AD2 could match Carthage on year in year out basis lol stop it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantherNation2015 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 (edited) 5 hours ago, Lion7000 said: Depends on what they have coming back! I never heard of them until this year but they were decent last year. Carthage always reloads and has a returning Qb ! Lion this year’s Dawg team was always going to be good. They didn’t have to reload. Here are a few players you should get to know. There are probably 6-7 others on this team that will have the chance to play college football if they want. They have two more RB’s in Smith (JR) & Graves (Soph) that would start on any other team. Carthage could probably just run the ball every play and win 8 of the 10 games on their schedule in convincing fashion. KJ Edwards (JR RB) - 23 offers Daquives Beck (JR LB) - 13 offers Jett Surratt (JR QB) - 5 offers Klayton Ingram (SR LB) - 2 offers Colt Hodges (SR DE/OT) - committed to Air Force Kash Courtney - (SR OT) - committed to AR Edited August 1 by PantherNation2015 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89Falcon Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 (edited) 9 hours ago, Lion7000 said: lol stop it! Currently aware of “2” 5AD2 schools that can match Carthage yearly. Really not sure if any can if you look at more than the last few years. Edited August 1 by 89Falcon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotton84 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 9 hours ago, PantherNation2015 said: Lion this year’s Dawg team was always going to be good. They didn’t have to reload. Here are a few players you should get to know. There are probably 6-7 others on this team that will have the chance to play college football if they want. They have two more RB’s in Smith (JR) & Graves (Soph) that would start on any other team. Carthage could probably just run the ball every play and win 8 of the 10 games on their schedule in convincing fashion. KJ Edwards (JR RB) - 23 offers Daquives Beck (JR LB) - 13 offers Jett Surratt (JR QB) - 5 offers Klayton Ingram (SR LB) - 2 offers Colt Hodges (SR DE/OT) - committed to Air Force Kash Courtney - (SR OT) - committed to AR Won’t be surprised if a WR has 10+ offers by November. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion7000 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, 89Falcon said: Currently aware of “2” 5AD2 schools that can match Carthage yearly. Really not sure if any can if you look at more than the last few years. Like I said they can most certainly compete and in fact with the exception of maybe Texas High , Carthage definitely can win 5a East Texas district. However, in the playoffs they would be getting passed regionals at best. Good team but not getting delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BevBrownJr Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 44 minutes ago, cotton84 said: Won’t be surprised if a WR has 10+ offers by November. He will be a junior this season, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89Falcon Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 18 minutes ago, Lion7000 said: Like I said they can most certainly compete and in fact with the exception of maybe Texas High , Carthage definitely can win 5a East Texas district. However, in the playoffs they would be getting passed regionals at best. Good team but not getting delusional. No doubt Carthage could beat Texas High on a regular basis. Not every time but definitely regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattStepp Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 If are talking 5A-D2 I think the following teams would contend with Carthage a good majority of the time PNG SOC Liberty Hill Argyle Colleyville Heritage Texas High Lovejoy Melissa Midlothian Heritage Fort Bend Marshall Lubbock Cooper (although their time is ending w/the new school) (thats honestly about it from a year in/year out standpoint), there's others who can pop up from time to time, but the ones above have shown consistency over multiple years IMO...Wichita Falls Rider before closing would probably fall into this discussion too Teams like Iowa Colony and Richmond Randle dont have the longevity but in their short history i think its safe to assume they'd be in contention based on the areas they pull from... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89Falcon Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, MattStepp said: If are talking 5A-D2 I think the following teams would contend with Carthage a good majority of the time PNG SOC Liberty Hill Argyle Colleyville Heritage Texas High Lovejoy Melissa Midlothian Heritage Fort Bend Marshall Lubbock Cooper (although their time is ending w/the new school) (thats honestly about it from a year in/year out standpoint), there's others who can pop up from time to time, but the ones above have shown consistency over multiple years IMO...Wichita Falls Rider before closing would probably fall into this discussion too Teams like Iowa Colony and Richmond Randle dont have the longevity but in their short history i think its safe to assume they'd be in contention based on the areas they pull from... Agree that all of those can contend on any given year. Carthage can most definitely beat any of them on a regular basis as well and would be a yearly State contender if in the same classification. Carthage would likely not have the same amount of championships they have accumulated in 4A but Carthage would have more than any one of the schools identified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattStepp Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 (edited) 10 minutes ago, 89Falcon said: Agree that all of those can contend on any given year. Carthage can most definitely beat any of them on a regular basis as well and would be a yearly State contender if in the same classification. Carthage would likely not have the same amount of championships they have accumulated in 4A but Carthage would have more than any one of the schools identified. I'm not 100% sure on that...up until a couple of years ago all these schools had to deal with Aledo in D2 limiting their # of titles...only SOC actually beat Aledo when they were D2...I think Carthage would have had similar troubles in a hypothetical matchup beating Aledo in nearly all those years as well Edited August 1 by MattStepp 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89Falcon Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 (edited) 5 hours ago, MattStepp said: I'm not 100% sure on that...up until a couple of years ago all these schools had to deal with Aledo in D2 limiting their # of titles...only SOC actually beat Aledo when they were D2...I think Carthage would have had similar troubles in a hypothetical matchup beating Aledo in nearly all those years as well I don’t disagree. I do not believe Carthage would beat Aledo under any circumstance. But, Aledo is not in the group of 5AD2. I do believe Carthage would have the most championships of all the 5AD2s we mentioned but as mentioned previously, they would not have as many as they have obtained in 4A. There would be years when some of the teams mentioned (such as SOC) would win. Aledo being a similar anomaly as Carthage but at a higher level. Edited August 1 by 89Falcon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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