Valhalla Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 2 minutes ago, SmokedOut said: We kind of looking at it two different ways. There’s really no way to know. I’m betting a DA type guy would’ve gotten something outta these guys the last 6 years. I don’t believe the 80’s guys did what they did without him. He harnessed that talent. Someone isn’t harnessing this talent. As for only two titles, in his defense there wasn’t much to harness in Henderson, Hughes Springs, Harleton, and Timpson. Im an older guy. Maybe I put to much faith in the old school guys. I would argue that DA's tenure at Harleton was just as impressive as his stretch at DF if you account for talent level. Harleton had only made the playoffs a handful of times and then they made it for a decade straight basically under DA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokedOut Posted September 4 Author Share Posted September 4 2 minutes ago, Valhalla said: I would argue that DA's tenure at Harleton was just as impressive as his stretch at DF if you account for talent level. Harleton had only made the playoffs a handful of times and then they made it for a decade straight basically under DA. Thanks for helping me prove a point. Man it’s rough when you have to convince a DF fan of the greatness of DA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRockNewbzz Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 56 minutes ago, SmokedOut said: We kind of looking at it two different ways. There’s really no way to know. I’m betting a DA type guy would’ve gotten something outta these guys the last 6 years. I don’t believe the 80’s guys did what they did without him. He harnessed that talent. Someone isn’t harnessing this talent. As for only two titles, in his defense there wasn’t much to harness in Henderson, Hughes Springs, Harleton, and Timpson. Im an older guy. Maybe I put to much faith in the old school guys. No you don't man, I totally value your opinion! Simply asking about those particular teams cause from what I read/heard it's truly mind boggling the seasons they accumulated and the greatness they displayed. You truly are right about no titles from the other schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRockNewbzz Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, Valhalla said: I would argue that DA's tenure at Harleton was just as impressive as his stretch at DF if you account for talent level. Harleton had only made the playoffs a handful of times and then they made it for a decade straight basically under DA. Was he there before or after Keyuo C rolled through? Edited September 4 by iRockNewbzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HS1988 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 1 hour ago, SmokedOut said: We kind of looking at it two different ways. There’s really no way to know. I’m betting a DA type guy would’ve gotten something outta these guys the last 6 years. I don’t believe the 80’s guys did what they did without him. He harnessed that talent. Someone isn’t harnessing this talent. As for only two titles, in his defense there wasn’t much to harness in Henderson, Hughes Springs, Harleton, and Timpson. Im an older guy. Maybe I put to much faith in the old school guys. You are spot on. I watched those 2 teams play. As talented as they were, they also had some average kids that played out of their shoes......because of DA. I have never heard anyone question his contribution. They were 544-0 at one time LOL. DA was one of a kind coach. One of the best motivators to ever toot a whistle. I could be off by a pound or 2 but they won state with a 165lb guard if memory serves. And I don't think he would need a "modern" era OC either. JMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokedOut Posted September 4 Author Share Posted September 4 43 minutes ago, iRockNewbzz said: Was he there before or after Keyuo C rolled through? After. I think he got there in 2002. Craver’s senior season was ‘97. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokedOut Posted September 4 Author Share Posted September 4 57 minutes ago, iRockNewbzz said: Was he there before or after Keyuo C rolled through? 52 wins 2 playoff app 10 seasons before DA 80 wins 8 playoff app 10 seasons with DA 57 wins 6 playoff app 10 seasons w/0 DA playoffs have been diluted those years after he left. Actually been 12 seasons since he left. I just did before and after compared to the seasons he was there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRockNewbzz Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 1 hour ago, SmokedOut said: After. I think he got there in 2002. Craver’s senior season was ‘97. Yeah I couldn't remember; I remember being in elementary and saw Craver a few games, dude could do it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PewittPride Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 8 hours ago, SmokedOut said: He’s too old now but I’d bet the farm you’d have a couple of more trophies had DA been hired 6 years ago. Discipline would be a nonissue. He’s the only Coach parents wouldn’t side with their kids but side with him. All those daddies granddaddy’s uncles cousins he coached to greatness would’ve had his back. He’s loved down there. And rightly so. He’d bring in a modern day OC and he would’ve brought discipline to the table. IMO. Today is a good question. First things first. Board is gonna have to come off that wallet. Come off that wallet and Daingerfield could have any up and coming HC they wanted. Pay them to get them there. If they win pay them enough to stay. DF has got one pitch that no other school has in small ball. You’ll never have a talent drop off. Hell DF down years in talent is most school best years of talent. I just don’t like seeing that kind of talent going to waste. One of y’all said the Hampton kid was a generational player. I agree. How did a 4 year phenom that ended up at Bama not end up with at least one high school ring in small ball? The average salary for a first time AD in a small 3A schools is 75 to 90k probably. That's not the hard part. The hard part is getting a coach and having faith enough in him right off the bat to give him A 2 or 3 year contract upfront so they can't withstand the community blowback when the instill discipline and accountability. Too often new ADs come in and make changes that ruffle the wrong clique's feathers and get run off after one season. That most likely won't happen with a 3 year contract. I'm not saying every AD should get that, but someone with a mandate from the school district to change the culture dang sure better have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokedOut Posted September 5 Author Share Posted September 5 6 minutes ago, PewittPride said: The average salary for a first time AD in a small 3A schools is 75 to 90k probably. That's not the hard part. The hard part is getting a coach and having faith enough in him right off the bat to give him A 2 or 3 year contract upfront so they can't withstand the community blowback when the instill discipline and accountability. Too often new ADs come in and make changes that ruffle the wrong clique's feathers and get run off after one season. That most likely won't happen with a 3 year contract. I'm not saying every AD should get that, but someone with a mandate from the school district to change the culture dang sure better have it. With DF’s tradition and talent pool, bumping that to 100k with a 3 year contract will bring in some big time names. It’s not your typical 3A school. Some 4A’s would love to have their talent. For the right guy, I’d pull a Carthage and pay him a dollar less than their supt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRockNewbzz Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 29 minutes ago, SmokedOut said: With DF’s tradition and talent pool, bumping that to 100k with a 3 year contract will bring in some big time names. It’s not your typical 3A school. Some 4A’s would love to have their talent. For the right guy, I’d pull a Carthage and pay him a dollar less than their supt. Hold the phone, hold the phone.....did I read someone said either that '83 or '85 team (or combo) had 5 future NFL players on that team?!? Get outta here then, that makes my point. Those dudes could have ran team with Stevie Wonder on the sidelines. There was enough leadership from those collective players that a Championship was inevitable, no matter who the Coach was. Not taking anything away from DA, just simply stating virtually "anyone" could have coached those guys and come away with some hardware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokedOut Posted September 5 Author Share Posted September 5 13 minutes ago, iRockNewbzz said: Hold the phone, hold the phone.....did I read someone said either that '83 or '85 team (or combo) had 5 future NFL players on that team?!? Get outta here then, that makes my point. Those dudes could have ran team with Stevie Wonder on the sidelines. There was enough leadership from those collective players that a Championship was inevitable, no matter who the Coach was. Not taking anything away from DA, just simply stating virtually "anyone" could have coached those guys and come away with some hardware. Same is said with the current guy and his 80% win percentage. Literally anyone could do that BUT he has zero hardware. Are you from Daingerfield? DA is a legend and if you are a DF native your literally the only person I’ve known that doesn’t think he’s the best thing since sliced bread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRockNewbzz Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 15 minutes ago, SmokedOut said: Same is said with the current guy and his 80% win percentage. Literally anyone could do that BUT he has zero hardware. Are you from Daingerfield? DA is a legend and if you are a DF native your literally the only person I’ve known that doesn’t think he’s the best thing since sliced bread. Again, I said I'm not taking anything away or any of the accolades but it'd be silly to sit here and say he would be the only one that could win a ST with those 2 particular squads, all I'm saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PewittPride Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 1 hour ago, SmokedOut said: With DF’s tradition and talent pool, bumping that to 100k with a 3 year contract will bring in some big time names. It’s not your typical 3A school. Some 4A’s would love to have their talent. For the right guy, I’d pull a Carthage and pay him a dollar less than their supt. Might want to check what that DF Sup makes before you say that. Might not be as much as you think. i agree that 100k isn't impossible, but I don't think it's the norm in East Texas for schools DF size. Hard to completely break the bank for an unproven, unknown AD. Maybe for a proven one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRockNewbzz Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 6 minutes ago, PewittPride said: Might want to check what that DF Sup makes before you say that. Might not be as much as you think. i agree that 100k isn't impossible, but I don't think it's the norm in East Texas for schools DF size. Hard to completely break the bank for an unproven, unknown AD. Maybe for a proven one. Wonder if SS would be available for 100K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokedOut Posted September 5 Author Share Posted September 5 1 minute ago, iRockNewbzz said: Wonder if SS would be available for 100K Bout 55k short Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokedOut Posted September 5 Author Share Posted September 5 8 minutes ago, PewittPride said: Might want to check what that DF Sup makes before you say that. Might not be as much as you think. i agree that 100k isn't impossible, but I don't think it's the norm in East Texas for schools DF size. Hard to completely break the bank for an unproven, unknown AD. Maybe for a proven one. 100k guaranteed 3 year contract. With their talent pool your gonna get some GREAT candidates. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokedOut Posted September 5 Author Share Posted September 5 23 minutes ago, iRockNewbzz said: Again, I said I'm not taking anything away or any of the accolades but it'd be silly to sit here and say he would be the only one that could win a ST with those 2 particular squads, all I'm saying Whatever man. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRockNewbzz Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 6 minutes ago, SmokedOut said: Bout 55k short IDK where we'd get the first 100K maybe start a GoFundMe page lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotton84 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 1 hour ago, SmokedOut said: With DF’s tradition and talent pool, bumping that to 100k with a 3 year contract will bring in some big time names. It’s not your typical 3A school. Some 4A’s would love to have their talent. For the right guy, I’d pull a Carthage and pay him a dollar less than their supt. Dollar less than high school principal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokedOut Posted September 5 Author Share Posted September 5 6 minutes ago, cotton84 said: Dollar less than high school principal. SS makes a buck less than the supt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokedOut Posted September 5 Author Share Posted September 5 9 minutes ago, iRockNewbzz said: IDK where we'd get the first 100K maybe start a GoFundMe page lol Just get it from the compound. Them guys want another title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotton84 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 4 minutes ago, SmokedOut said: SS makes a buck less than the supt Supt was hired in 2021 for $205,000 a year……..SS salary is several $$$$ below that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokedOut Posted September 5 Author Share Posted September 5 Just now, cotton84 said: Supt was hired in 2021 for $205,000 a year……..SS salary is several $$$$ below that. Well they better up it to 204,999 after the next championship then. Bunch of low ballers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokedOut Posted September 5 Author Share Posted September 5 We’ve covered every thing imaginable on this thread. I had to look what the actual topic was. So any word on Ore City? We know HS is in desperate need of a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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