Here we go again

[Slickarick]

2 hours ago, Mavchamp said:

If bench players are still scoring....I'm not sure what else can be done.

Put the band and cheerleaders in?

In reality..... the best thing to do once a score is out of hand is to do a running clock.  I've seen it a couple of times through the years.  Not many...but it's a thing.

A running clock in the fourth quarter...or even an entire second half seems to be a simple solution.

 

They could make 63 rule like 45 in 6man...if you can't get work in 63 points that's a coaching issue. Plenty work for 2's and 3's that's 9 touchdowns. No reason to demean a team past that. If your up by 63 at any point after half.. game done. 

[Destry]

2 hours ago, LetsGoEagles said:

do you have a man-bun or wear skinny jeans? 

Nope and I didn’t vote for Mala either. You must be under fiddy though because majority of coaches who blow the scores up have the “me” generation attitude.  You under fiddy?

[Destry]

36 minutes ago, Slickarick said:

They could make 63 rule like 45 in 6man...if you can't get work in 63 points that's a coaching issue. Plenty work for 2's and 3's that's 9 touchdowns. No reason to demean a team past that. If you’re up by 63 at any point after half.. game done. 

THANK YOU Slick!!! Agree 1000%. Let me guess- you’re old school and probably run the straight T if you were head coach. If not thanks again.

[Playboy15]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think a losing coach can request a running clock anytime.

[d0tc0m]

29 minutes ago, Destry said:

Nope and I didn’t vote for Mala either. You must be under fiddy though because majority of coaches who blow the scores up have the “me” generation attitude.  You under fiddy?

If you’re throwing out words like majority, then you must have a fairly solid grasp on the number of coaches actually running up scores, consistently. And you must have that pool of coaches broken down by ages pretty well. So name names. Who are the majority “under fiddy” coaches that consistently “blow the score” up?

[Slickarick]

38 minutes ago, Destry said:

THANK YOU Slick!!! Agree 1000%. Let me guess- you’re old school and probably run the straight T if you were head coach. If not thanks again.

More single wing and slot t. I've never tried to disrespect or embarrass kids. Largest iv won by was 49 and it was 42 but there was a scoop and score by 3rd string lb. 

Edited October 26 by Slickarick

[JBizzle]

Again, we are asking about a hard and fast blanket rule to handle individual situations. There's things in place to help this, but when you have a team that is in this situation constantly, you can't ask them to have their starters play 15 plays a game and be ready when they hit the playoffs. That's not fair to them. Coaches are in a brotherhood. Let them handle it. 

[Destry]

10 minutes ago, d0tc0m said:

If you’re throwing out words like majority, then you must have a fairly solid grasp on the number of coaches actually running up scores, consistently. And you must have that pool of coaches broken down by ages pretty well. So name names. Who are the majority “under fiddy” coaches that consistently “blow the score” up?

Oh my! Did I touch a nerve?

[Destry]

2 minutes ago, Slickarick said:

More single wing and slot t. I've never tried to disrespect or embarrass kids. Largest iv won by was 49 and it was 42 but there was a scoop and score by 3rd string lb. 

Bless you. I wouldn’t mind being your assistant one day.

[LetsGoEagles]

47 minutes ago, Destry said:

Nope and I didn’t vote for Mala either. You must be under fiddy though because majority of coaches who blow the scores up have the “me” generation attitude.  You under fiddy?

Yes, but not by much, just not soft AH 

Edited October 26 by LetsGoEagles

[Destry]

3 minutes ago, JBizzle said:

Again, we are asking about a hard and fast blanket rule to handle individual situations. There's things in place to help this, but when you have a team that is in this situation constantly, you can't ask them to have their starters play 15 plays a game and be ready when they hit the playoffs. That's not fair to them. Coaches are in a brotherhood. Let them handle it. 

And the 45 point rule in 6 man is not a blanket rule? 

[JBizzle]

Just now, Destry said:

And the 45 point rule in 6 man is not a blanket rule? 

It sure is. And it's in a classification where they don't have too many "backups" to put in the game to get playing time.

[Vandalman]

Definitely unsportsmanlike to run a high octane offense with your starters and not let off the gas if the game is already won.  It's obvious if it's deliberate. If your playing back ups in clock eating mode and still scoring then I don't know anything else you can do. If the losing team can't stop that then practice until you can. I feel bad for those kids when they're getting beat like that but they must love the game or they wouldn't keep playing. I think a running clock is fine but how much should we change the rules just to keep feelings from getting hurt?

[Destry]

10 minutes ago, JBizzle said:

It sure is. And it's in a classification where they don't have too many "backups" to put in the game to get playing time.

Six man teams with 20-25 don’t have enough? There are 2AA school that only have that many.

[MrThunderMaker]

I’ve seen my team get blown out and I’ve seen my team blow people out. When mercy is being shown, there’s still a degree of responsibility on the losing team to continue to try and put up some sort of fight.  The kids are relatively the same age on both sides. 

ND hung 84 on Buffalo last night with backup’s backups in the entire second half and a running clock. The 3rd string DE had a forced fumble and took it to the house. Mercy was attempted at the highest degree. 

Edited October 26 by MrThunderMaker

[dogs3505]

Im all about playing with starters til the end of the half.  Second half run the clock, run the ball, and run the others out there.  If you cant stop them thats on you.

[lynyrdskynyrd]

4 hours ago, Mavchamp said:

If bench players are still scoring....I'm not sure what else can be done.

Put the band and cheerleaders in?

In reality..... the best thing to do once a score is out of hand is to do a running clock.  I've seen it a couple of times through the years.  Not many...but it's a thing.

A running clock in the fourth quarter...or even an entire second half seems to be a simple solution.

 

I've seen this keep a score from reaching 100. Literally, caps it around 70. 

[d0tc0m]

52 minutes ago, Destry said:

Oh my! Did I touch a nerve?

No, straw man, not at all. And that’s an odd rebuttal for you to make based on your original post, although it was 100% predictable and expected.

Actually, I don’t disagree overall with the premise of what you’re saying. But your framing and your follow-ups come off as whiny with roots of victim mindset.

If coaches are truly keeping starters in during the second half when up by 5+ TDs, then that’s a bit much. Time to get the reserves some playing time, and slow the tempo a little bit. If that lead stretches any further, put the thing in neutral, run the ball three times and if they stop you, they stop you, if not, there’s not a lot else to do. I don’t think a +63 rule would be bad either. I’m for that. If you’re up that big in the second half, it’s over anyway. Even 2nd/3rd stringers aren’t getting any actual work in when it’s that bad.

But at a certain point, it’s up to the opposing team to make plays and make stops. And if you can’t do that against the deep-bench players running basic formations, it might be time to find a new hobby. Sports are brutally tough sometimes, and there’s not a lot of space for feelings. Of course there are outliers and exceptions to that, and every coach I’ve played for and most that I have watched, understand those moments pretty well and do the right thing when it’s time.

And I’m not just preaching a “kids today are so soft,” gospel. In fact, just today, my oldest son (9) won the opening game of a baseball tournament by a big margin and then got clobbered in the 2nd game of the doubleheader. Both times, the winning team’s coach had kids going station to station, not stealing, not running on overthrows, etc. It was a good moment for my son, followed by a tough moment with a hard lesson. He survived, bounced back quickly and was ready for bracket play tomorrow. And he followed that up with a flag football game this afternoon, where his team fell behind 28-0 at halftime. Would’ve been easy to pack it in and call it a day. But the boys stayed up, stayed positive and gutted it out. They lost, eventually, but they outscored the other team 27-0 in the 2nd half and lost on a conversion attempt. Another great teachable moment for my son and the other boys. You don’t get down and quit and feel sorry for yourself just because the chips are down. You fight until it’s done.

Sports are overflowing with high-stakes life lessons that we can learn/teach in relatively low stakes environments. But we can’t be afraid to teach them (or accept them when it’s our turn to learn).

 

 

 

Edited October 26 by d0tc0m

[pine curtain]

Texas use NCAA rules.

This is the NCAA ruling.

Timing Adjustments—ARTICLE 2

Approved Ruling 3-2-2

I At halftime the score is 56-0 The coaches and the referee agree that the third and fourth quarters should be shortened to 12 minutes each The coaches also request that the second half be played with a “running clock,” ie, that the game clock not be stopped RULING: The remaining quarters may be shortened to 12 minutes each However, the “running clock” is not allowed; normal clock rules apply for the entire game

Edited October 26 by pine curtain

[trueblue82]

I’m all about sportsmanship and winning with class and keeping the score respectable. I just think this matter is best left in the hands of the coaches. I believe that there may be some coaches out there that don’t respect the game and will try to score as much as they can, but I think that number is very small. These coaches don’t tend to have long careers, because the old adage of “what goes around comes around” is very true in the coaching profession. Stop trying to give the UIL more power. They have enough. 

[Destry]

13 minutes ago, d0tc0m said:

No, straw man, not at all. And that’s an odd rebuttal for you to make based on your original post, although it was 100% predictable and expected.

Actually, I don’t disagree overall with the premise of what you’re saying. But your framing and your follow-ups come off as whiny with roots of victim mindset.

If coaches are truly keeping starters in during the second half when up by 5+ TDs, then that’s a bit much. Time to get the reserves some playing time, and slow the tempo a little bit. If that lead stretches any further, put the thing in neutral, run the ball three times and if they stop you, they stop you, if not, there’s not a lot else to do. I don’t think a +63 rule would be bad either. I’m for that. If you’re up that big in the second half, it’s over anyway. Even 2nd/3rd stringers aren’t getting any actual work in when it’s that bad.

But at a certain point, it’s up to the opposing team to make plays and make stops. And if you can’t do that against the deep-bench players running basic formations, it might be time to find a new hobby. Sports are brutally tough sometimes, and there’s not a lot of space for feelings. Of course there are outliers and exceptions to that, and every coach I’ve played for and most that I have watched, understand those moments pretty well and do the right thing when it’s time.

And I’m not just preaching a “kids today are so soft,” gospel. In fact, just today, my oldest son (9) won the opening game of a baseball tournament by a big margin and then got clobbered in the 2nd game of the doubleheader. Both times, the winning team’s coach had kids going station to station, not stealing, not running on overthrows, etc. It was a good moment for my son, followed by a tough moment with a hard lesson. He survived, bounced back quickly and was ready for bracket play tomorrow. And he followed that up with a flag football game this afternoon, where his team fell behind 28-0 at halftime. Would’ve been easy to pack it in and call it a day. But the boys stayed up, stayed positive and gutted it out. They lost, eventually, but they outscored the other team 27-0 in the 2nd half and lost on a conversion attempt. Another great teachable moment for my son and the other boys. You don’t get down and quit and feel sorry for yourself just because the chips are down. You fight until it’s done.

Sports are overflowing with high-stakes life lessons that we can learn/teach in relatively low stakes environments. But we can’t be afraid to teach them (or accept them when it’s our turn to learn).

 

 

 

Sooooooo, your 9 year old son played 2 baseball games and a football game today, which is Saturday, will probably play little dribblers when that starts, went to school m-f, and if you are the kind of dad I think you are, he will go to church tomorrow—— question— when does he get the opportunity to just be a 9 year old boy?

[Destry]

5 minutes ago, trueblue82 said:

I’m all about sportsmanship and winning with class and keeping the score respectable. I just think this matter is best left in the hands of the coaches. I believe that there may be some coaches out there that don’t respect the game and will try to score as much as they can, but I think that number is very small. These coaches don’t tend to have long careers, because the old adage of “what goes around comes around” is very true in the coaching profession. Stop trying to give the UIL more power. They have enough. 

You got to be a good ole Shelby county boy. Right?

[trueblue82]

13 minutes ago, Destry said:

You got to be a good ole Shelby county boy. Right?

Actually, I was born in LA. My parents and I made the decision to move to my mom’s hometown when I was 18 months old. 

[d0tc0m]

7 minutes ago, Destry said:

Sooooooo, your 9 year old son played 2 baseball games and a football game today, which is Saturday, will probably play little dribblers when that starts, went to school m-f, and if you are the kind of dad I think you are, he will go to church tomorrow—— question— when does he get the opportunity to just be a 9 year old boy?

He gets to be a 9 year old boy Mon-Sun, and he’s great at it and I love getting to be his dad and watch him be 9! It was the busiest sports day we’ve had as a family, by far. Today was an exception and not the norm. A day like this would not be consistently sustainable with a 9-year-old, and we wouldn’t try that. His rec-league baseball team’s season ended last week though, and they all wanted to play in a fun Halloween tournament (his first time to play in one), so his coach signed them up.

This is his first season to play two sports, and it came after lots of thought and consideration and conversation between my wife and I, and then with our son. And he’s the only one of our three boys — at least so far — who would want/be able to do what he’s doing. He’s playing his two favorite sports with his best friends, which is why he can get over the sting of a loss pretty quickly, and then come home and build a fort and a fire in the backyard with his younger brothers.

When I’ve coached him in years past — and his current coaches are very similar — I always asked him and his teammates after every practice and game: Do you feel like you played hard? Did you learn something? And Do you still love football (or baseball)? If the answer to those are yes, then that’s a win at his age, in my opinion.

[Destry]

5 minutes ago, d0tc0m said:

He gets to be a 9 year old boy Mon-Sun, and he’s great at it and I love getting to be his dad and watch him be 9! It was the busiest sports day we’ve had as a family, by far. Today was an exception and not the norm. A day like this would not be consistently sustainable with a 9-year-old, and we wouldn’t try that. His rec-league baseball team’s season ended last week though, and they all wanted to play in a fun Halloween tournament (his first time to play in one), so his coach signed them up.

This is his first season to play two sports, and it came after lots of thought and consideration and conversation between my wife and I, and then with our son. And he’s the only one of our three boys — at least so far — who would want/be able to do what he’s doing. He’s playing his two favorite sports with his best friends, which is why he can get over the sting of a loss pretty quickly, and then come home and build a fort and a fire in the backyard with his younger brothers.

When I’ve coached him in years past — and his current coaches are very similar — I always asked him and his teammates after every practice and game: Do you feel like you played hard? Did you learn something? And Do you still love football (or baseball)? If the answer to those are yes, then that’s a win at his age, in my opinion.

Great positive response. I appreciate what you are doing. I think that boy is in good hands . God bless you and your family.