Week Ten: Longview vs North Forney

[LoboFan07]

LONGVIEW LOBOS (6-2) VS NORTH FORNEY FALCONS (6-2)

DATE: Friday, November 1st
TIME: 7:30 PM
LOCATION: Lobo Stadium in Longview, Texas
LONGVIEW BROADCAST: 106.5 FM JACK FM
NORTH FORNEY BROADCAST: n/a
LONGVIEW LIVE STREAM: Longview GameDay
NORTH FORNEY LIVE STREAM: SportsGram.net

SERIES TIED 0-0-0

The two schools have never played a non-district contest.
The two schools have never played a district contest.
The two schools have never played a playoff contest.
The two schools have never played at a neutral location.
The two schools have never played at Longview.
The two schools have never played at North Forney.
Longview is 0-0-0 all-time against North Forney at Lobo Stadium.
The two schools have never played on November 1st.

LAST FIVE GAMES IN SERIES:
First Meeting.
FULL GAME LOG

GAME PREVIEW & SERIES REVIEW:
Coming Sunday.

WEEK NINE RESULTS FOR FOR 10-6A:
Longview 20 Rockwall Heath 15
North Forney 62 Royse City 23
Rockwall 63 Tyler Legacy 27
Forney - Bye

WEEK TEN 10-6A SCHEDULE:
Tyler Legacy at Forney
North Forney at Longview
Rockwall Heath v. Rockwall
Royse City - Bye

DISTRICT 10-6A STANDINGS:
1st. Longview (6-2, 4-0)
2nd. North Forney (6-2, 4-0)
3rd Rockwall (5-3, 3-1)
4th. Tyler Legacy (3-6, 2-3)
5th. Rockwall Heath (3-5, 1-3)
6th. Forney (3-5, 1-3)
7th. Royse City (2-7, 0-5)

DISTRICT 9-5A OVERVIEW:
Last game - Garland defeated Garland Lakeview Centennial 33-32 in OT, Garland Naaman Forest defeated North Garland 53-13, Garland Sachse defeated South Garland 55-21, Wylie East defeated Rowlett 49-0, Wylie is open.
This week - Garland Naaman Forest takes on Garland Sachse, North Garland takes on Rowlett, Wylie hosts Garland Lakeview Centennial, Wylie East hosts Garland, South Garland is open.

LONGVIEW LOBOS
Record: 6-2 (4-0)
District: 10-6A
Coach: John King (228-49 in 21 seasons) (Playoffs: 51-19)
First Year of Football: 1909
All-Time Record: 787-360-52 (Playoffs: 80-46-1)
Playoff Appearances: 49
Last Playoff Appearance: 2023, Class 5A Division I Region II Semi-Finalist
State Championships (2): 1937 (1A), 2018 (6A D2)
State Championship Appearances (5): 1937 (1A), 1997 (5A D1), 2008 (4A D1), 2009 (4A D1), 2018 (6A D2)
SCHEDULE:
08.30 - at Lufkin - Win 7-3
09.06 - at Marshall - Win 42-7
09.13 - vs Dallas South Oak Cliff - Loss 45-44
09.20 - vs Ruston, LA - Loss 21-10
10.04 - vs Rockwall - Win 63-34
10.11 - at Forney - Win 41-14
10.18 - vs Tyler Legacy - Win 38-15
10.24 - at Rockwall Heath - Win 20-15
11.01 - vs North Forney
11.08 - at Royse City

NORTH FORNEY FALCONS
Record: 6-2 (4-0)
District: 10-6A
Coach: Marcus Shavers (6-2 in 1 season) (Playoffs: 0-0)
First Year of Football: 2010
All-Time Record: 75-82-0 (Playoffs: 5-5-0)
Playoff Appearances: 5
Last Playoff Appearance: 2023, 6A Division II Area Round
State Championships (0): None
State Championship Appearances (0): None
SCHEDULE:
08.29 - at Dallas Skyline - Loss 21-7
09.06 - at Plano East - Loss 34-21
09.13 - at Mesquite - Win 31-7
09.20 - at Mansfield Lake Ridge - Win 49-24
09.27 - at Forney - Win 35-31
10.04 - vs Tyler Legacy - Win 39-7
10.11 - at Rockwall Heath - Win 49-42
10.25 - vs Royse City - Win 62-23
11.01 - at Longview
11.08 - vs Rockwall

ON THIS DATE IN LOBO HISTORY: November 1st
In 1929, Longview blew out Winnsboro, 46-0, at Lobo Athletic Field in Longview.
In 1935, Jack Skipper tallier three touchdowns, while George Black scored twice as Longview dominated Marshall, 40-6, at Maverick Stadium.
In 1940, H.J Burns rushed from one yard out in the third quarter to lift Longview to a 6-0 win over Dallas Woodrow Wilson at Lobo Stadium.
In 1957, Bubba Agnor rushed for an 8-yard score in the 1st quarter before Longview’s Douglas Bruner caught a 4-yard scoring tally as Longview and Marshall battled to a 7-7 deadlock at Lobo Stadium.
In 1963, James Street rushed from three yards out with 10 minutes left in the contest to lift Longview to a 13-8 victory over Marshall at Lobo Stadium. Glenn Cobb scored Longview’s other touchdown on the day.
In 1968, Alton Coley scored two touchdowns while the Lobos jumped out to a 35-0 halftime lead in a 42-12 beatdown of Marshall Pemberton at Maverick Stadium. The Lobo defense produced 8 turnovers on the night.
In 1969, Ronnie Davis rushed for two touchdowns while 5 other Lobos tallied on the Saturday afternoon as Longview knocked off Marshall Pemberton, 51-6, at Lobo Stadium. The Lobo defense produced 7 turnovers on the day.
In 1974, Leo McCoy rushed for two touchdowns, while Thomas Cook and Llewellyn Fumbles rushed for one each in a 29-14 Longview victory over Marshall at Maverick Stadium.
In 1985, Kirt Griffin threw a lateral to Glenn Moore before Moore lofted a pass to Brian Williams who rushed 62-yards for the only touchdown of the night in a 7-3 Longview victory over John Tyler at Lobo Stadium.
In 1991, S.A. Barnes rushed from one yard out with 2 minutes to go to lift John Tyler to a 17-14 victory over Longview at Rose Stadium. The Lions rushed for 299 yards on the night.
In 1996, 6 different Lions scored on the night before Longview’s lone score from Steven Bradley from 33 yards out lifted the shut out in a 42-7 John Tyler beatdown of Longview at Lobo Stadium.
In 2002, after falling down 6-0 after the first quarter, Joel Armstrong and Jerrel Williams each scored two rushing scores to hand Longview a 31-14 upset of No. 10 ranked Tyler Lee at Lobo Stadium.  The Lobos rushed for 225 yards on the night.
In 2019, 6 different Lobos scored touchdowns on the night including 2 interception returns for scores from Patrick Webb as Longview steamrolled Tyler Lee, 49-7, at Lobo Stadium, to win their 25th consecutive contest.

Edited October 26 by LoboFan07

[LoboFan07]

Post game show with head coach John King following Longview's 20-15 win over Rockwall Heath:

https://lobohistory.com/audio/2024/rockwallheathpostgame.mp3

[LoboFan07]

Full box score of Longview's 20-15 win over the Heath Hawks:

https://lobohistory.com/blog/2024/week9boxscore.html

[LoboFan07]

Class 6A Region II District Standings and Projections: https://www.6atexasfootball.com/forum/main-forum/team-threads/77-official-longview-lobo-thread-home-of-lobo-nation?p=843099#post843099

Class 6A Region II Overview: https://www.6atexasfootball.com/forum/main-forum/team-threads/77-official-longview-lobo-thread-home-of-lobo-nation?p=843100#post843100

[LoboFan07]

Couple notes from Friday's game...

Kason Brooks returned a 95-yard fumble return for a score. It is the longest fumble return in Longview history, beating out the previous long of 89 set in 2006 vs Dallas Carter by Chris Lacy. Funny enough, both scores were in comeback fashion and both turned out to be the winning score.

Kelvin Washington, with his two scores vs Heath, became only the fourth Lobo all-time to hit 50 total touchdowns. He's 1 rushing score away from becoming the 7th Lobo all-time to rush for 40 touchdowns in a career.

His 2 on Friday made him the 20th Lobo to tally 24 or more touchdowns in a single season in Lobo history.

[gtee2]

3 hours ago, LoboFan07 said:

Couple notes from Friday's game...

Kason Brooks returned a 95-yard fumble return for a score. It is the longest fumble return in Longview history, beating out the previous long of 89 set in 2006 vs Dallas Carter by Chris Lacy. Funny enough, both scores were in comeback fashion and both turned out to be the winning score.

Kelvin Washington, with his two scores vs Heath, became only the fourth Lobo all-time to hit 50 total touchdowns. He's 1 rushing score away from becoming the 7th Lobo all-time to rush for 40 touchdowns in a career.

His 2 on Friday made him the 20th Lobo to tally 24 or more touchdowns in a single season in Lobo history.

He already has 24 TD's?!? Damn...

[JohnnyFootball]

So who starts this one at QB for Longview? We saw Tre Hamilton in the game against Heath, right? Though despite an increase in pocket presence by every metric, it only led to a three and out.

Edited October 28 by JohnnyFootball

[Lobo2020]

32 minutes ago, JohnnyFootball said:

So who starts this one at QB for Longview? We saw Tre Hamilton in the game against Heath, right? Though despite an increase in pocket presence by every metric, it only led to a three and out.

Maybe because he didn’t attempt a pass? Idk just a guess. Anyways not doing it with you this week lol. Mav will start because it’s senior night, another bad start and we’ll see Tre after a few drives is my guess but who knows. 

Edited October 28 by Lobo2020

[Lion7000]

Pretty good matchup. Seems like an athlete who can throw vs a legitimate QB. Hopefully Longview gets it figured out before the postseason! Defense can carry you so far! 

[LoboFan07]

6 hours ago, JohnnyFootball said:

So who starts this one at QB for Longview? We saw Tre Hamilton in the game against Heath, right? Though despite an increase in pocket presence by every metric, it only led to a three and out.

So because it led to a drive that was inside our 10 yard line, where King only ran the ball...Tre is no longer an option?

Got it. Man. So glad we could give Tre that option of running the ball four times, one fumble included since we're so hell bent on getting Buster something when he clearly isn't the answer either, then two kneel downs.

[LoboFan07]

8 hours ago, gtee2 said:

He already has 24 TD's?!? Damn...

He's the only one that's been scoring lol. We have literally zero offense without him.

I can't even remember the last time a Longview football team only had two different players with rushing touchdowns this late in the season.

Edited October 28 by LoboFan07

[gottacaseofsiccadis]

N Forney in a close one.

[JohnnyFootball]

2 hours ago, LoboFan07 said:

So because it led to a drive that was inside our 10 yard line, where King only ran the ball...Tre is no longer an option?

Got it. Man. So glad we could give Tre that option of running the ball four times, one fumble included since we're so hell bent on getting Buster something when he clearly isn't the answer either, then two kneel downs.

Where did I say that?

Also, what happened on our 2 point attempt? Was it a run? Wait!!! Was it a pass? 

[JohnnyFootball]

8 hours ago, Lobo2020 said:

Maybe because he didn’t attempt a pass? Idk just a guess. Anyways not doing it with you this week lol. Mav will start because it’s senior night, another bad start and we’ll see Tre after a few drives is my guess but who knows. 

He attempted a pass on the 2 point attempt. I guess you were wrong when you said “You watched the same game I did.”  I literally saw him attempt a pass where the RB was open and he threw it to the ground. They shouldn’t have had him roll out, though. He does much better in the pocket, what with his pocket presence and all. 

[LoboFan07]

32 minutes ago, JohnnyFootball said:

Where did I say that?

Also, what happened on our 2 point attempt? Was it a run? Wait!!! Was it a pass? 

Yes. One pass on a two point attempt, where he had been sitting on the sidelines the entire night. But ya know, so glad we had Maverick in there for 4/5ths of the game and throwing nearly 3 interceptions the entire night.

Just our lowest offensive output in over four seasons. No bigs.

[ANTI]

Hamilton will play D1 ball....and will put up some of the best passing numbers in Lobo history by the time he is done. 

It's not hard to see the tools physically and mentally that he has. The dude is a baller on the verge of greatness, and I'm going to remember everyone that showed any type of resistance to him starting when the pom-poms come out.

[JohnnyFootball]

21 minutes ago, LoboFan07 said:

Yes. One pass on a two point attempt, where he had been sitting on the sidelines the entire night. But ya know, so glad we had Maverick in there for 4/5ths of the game and throwing nearly 3 interceptions the entire night.

Just our lowest offensive output in over four seasons. No bigs.

So you were wrong with the whole "he was only able to run the ball 4x" bit. Got it.

Now where did I say Tre wasn't an option? I've even gone out of my way to say that Hamilton had far more upside and that he probably should play, but that seems to be completely missed. I wish more people would read and not just see what they want. All I've done is questioned what people are basing it on- I'm legit curious. He's bigger (not really a question), threw one good pass (and now threw a poor one, but whatever), and did well in 7-on-7. That's all anyone has said aside from stuff like "He has pocket presence" which got dismantled pretty quickly. 

I'm legit wondering who will start this next game lol. Was the switch last game permanent or only to sit down Rowe for having a bad night? 

Edited October 28 by JohnnyFootball

[JohnnyFootball]

Also, I just watched A&M upset #8 LSU at home by switching QBs at halftime (outscored them 31-6 after making the switch). I'm certainly not resistant to it, just wondering what everyone is basing the decision on. A&M saw Marcel Reed start/win several games earlier this year while Weigman was hurt, so I saw the rationale behind switching QBs there. I haven't seen Hamilton play aside from a couple of passes. 

[Lobo2020]

2 hours ago, JohnnyFootball said:

He attempted a pass on the 2 point attempt. I guess you were wrong when you said “You watched the same game I did.”  I literally saw him attempt a pass where the RB was open and he threw it to the ground. They shouldn’t have had him roll out, though. He does much better in the pocket, what with his pocket presence and all. 

The kid hasn’t attempted a pass in 6+ weeks. But Mav can go out there and throw up lollipops for 6 weeks and we’re not supposed to flinch. This is the worst offense we’ve had in years and it’s due to the fact that we can’t throw the ball more than 8 yards down the field successfully on a consistent basis. Somethings gotta change. If Tre isn’t what we think (which he is) I’ll eat all the crow you can find but as a coach you have got to try something different. Think of the Tua/jalen hurts situation at bama. 

Edited October 28 by Lobo2020

[JohnnyFootball]

2 minutes ago, Lobo2020 said:

The kid hasn’t attempted a pass in 6+ weeks. But Mav can go out there and throw up lollipops for 6 weeks and we’re not supposed to flinch. 

Never said that. Don't lie. 

[JohnnyFootball]

4 minutes ago, Lobo2020 said:

 Somethings gotta change. If Tre isn’t what we think (which he is) I’ll eat all the crow you can find but as a coach you have got to try something different. Think of the Tua/jalen hurts situation at bama. 

I don't disagree with this edit at all... 

[kingwolf]

6 hours ago, LoboFan07 said:

He's the only one that's been scoring lol. We have literally zero offense without him.

I can't even remember the last time a Longview football team only had two different players with rushing touchdowns this late in the season.

May have to go back to Bero era....

[kingwolf]

Our defense will have to keep us in this game. As long as we don't play 10 yards off every receiver, the defense is going to cause problems for NF.

I know Bey will get his yards, so we are going to have to sustain drives. We can't make their defense look elite like we did Heath. Hoping we have a change at QB for this game or at least a game plan that plays to the strengths of Rowe if he starts. 

[kingwolf]

3 hours ago, JohnnyFootball said:

That's all anyone has said aside from stuff like "He has pocket presence" which got dismantled pretty quickly. 

Ok. I'll bite. Nothing got dismantled, lol. People just chose not to respond to you. But now I will.

When it comes to these young men who have been in the system for many years, they have a body of work. That body of work does not only include just this year. If you pay attention, @WP4L has been talking about Hamilton since 2021. If you have watched him for the last couple of years, there is not doubt about his physical attributes, ability, and POCKET PRESENCE. He has shown this for many years. This does not take away from Rowe, just think there is more upside with Hamilton. In my opinion, the time for that upside is now.

Edited October 28 by kingwolf

[Lobo97]

Here's my take on the QB situation, and I've said this since game 1....

 

If Rowe is our QB, it will be a short playoff run. I can go into my laundry list of reasons, but put simply, he isn't the answer. 

 

That said, I'm not going to debate who's better between he and Hamilton. I haven't seen enough of Hamilton to do that. Just as one beautiful deep pass earlier in the season isn't enough to crown him, one bad pass on a 2-pt conversion isn't enough to crucify him either. The reality is though, that is all the tape we have on him, those two passes. We have plenty of tape on Rowe, however. He simply isn't good. So why not give the next man up at least more than 1 play to see what he can actually do?