cowboyandchrist Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 3 hours ago, bullets13 said: We’ll see. That 38-0 shutout of undefeated Brock last week told me a little something. Like I said, I don’t think they beat Carthage, but I’m not expecting a blowout if they meet. 7 shutout and another game with a fg allowed is impressive, no matter who you are. Carthage has only managed 2 shutouts all year, and they’re the best team in the state. Because Coach Surratt pulls starters when he gets 42 to 0. 7 of the 10 balls games, the defensive starters held opponents to minus rushing yards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelmyers Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 19 minutes ago, bansheefan03 said: They actually ended the game with -8 yards total That’s what I’m saying and ThTs with the backups giving up 50 yards in the second half. That is unheard of. Idc what team it is they playing. Carthage D is bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelmyers Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 6 hours ago, PantherNation2015 said: I would not expect Ingram back until later in the playoffs - round 3 at the earliest. That’s what I think too because they really won’t need his impact until they play PG. Get him healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantherNation2015 Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 19 minutes ago, michaelmyers said: That’s what I think too because they really won’t need his impact until they play PG. Get him healthy. In the grand scheme of things, probably not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkNation12 Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 4 hours ago, bullets13 said: We’ll see. That 38-0 shutout of undefeated Brock last week told me a little something. Like I said, I don’t think they beat Carthage, but I’m not expecting a blowout if they meet. 7 shutout and another game with a fg allowed is impressive, no matter who you are. Carthage has only managed 2 shutouts all year, and they’re the best team in the state. Graham always looks good until they play a Region 2 team. I wouldn’t worry to much about Graham. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffersondawgs96 Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 On 11/7/2024 at 7:44 AM, Lion7000 said: Cuero Wimbery Gilmer PG Brock Sinton WOS Has Cuero improved after 3A Columbus put about 65 pts on them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bansheefan03 Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 3 minutes ago, Jeffersondawgs96 said: Has Cuero improved after 3A Columbus put about 65 pts on them? Doubtful there good for there region but that's about it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelmyers Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 11 minutes ago, Jeffersondawgs96 said: Has Cuero improved after 3A Columbus put about 65 pts on them? No 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotton84 Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 Graham - think Lampasas with Ace Whitehead at QB or Glen Rose in 2022……If the Region 2 winner has a bad game or their front 7 on defense doesn’t play disciplined football, Graham and their QB is good enough to make it interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion7000 Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 7 hours ago, Jeffersondawgs96 said: Has Cuero improved after 3A Columbus put about 65 pts on them? Don’t know they’re usually a player in December football! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0tc0m Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 9 hours ago, cotton84 said: Graham - think Lampasas with Ace Whitehead at QB or Glen Rose in 2022……If the Region 2 winner has a bad game or their front 7 on defense doesn’t play disciplined football, Graham and their QB is good enough to make it interesting. I'd say Graham's QB is not quite as good as Whitehead, but the Steers defense is much better than Lampassas' was. Lest we forget some fun Carthage/Graham history ... Allllll the way back to 2009: the Case McCoy-led Graham Steers gave the Dawgs their biggest State Title game scare in Surratt's era. Carthage managed to win 13-12 in an absolute SLUG FEST. It was a super fun game to watch and was maybe (Carthage fans will have to help me here) the Dawgs' least talented team to win a state championship. At any rate, that game obviously does not have any impact on this potential matchup we're talking about. And I'd say the 2024 Dawgs are much better than the 2009 version. BUT, there is at least a fun historical anecdote to remember, because the Steers were in no way shape or form outmatched in that game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0tc0m Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 That said, I'd still pick Carthage in that hypothetical semifinal game by 3 TDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotton84 Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 10 minutes ago, d0tc0m said: I'd say Graham's QB is not quite as good as Whitehead, but the Steers defense is much better than Lampassas' was. Lest we forget some fun Carthage/Graham history ... Allllll the way back to 2009: the Case McCoy-led Graham Steers gave the Dawgs their biggest State Title game scare in Surratt's era. Carthage managed to win 13-12 in an absolute SLUG FEST. It was a super fun game to watch and was maybe (Carthage fans will have to help me here) the Dawgs' least talented team to win a state championship. At any rate, that game obviously does not have any impact on this potential matchup we're talking about. And I'd say the 2024 Dawgs are much better than the 2009 version. BUT, there is at least a fun historical anecdote to remember, because the Steers were in no way shape or form outmatched in that game. 2009 Graham defense knew how to play, without a bunch of Div 1 college prospects…….And whether it was luck or great coaching I don’t know, but in that game their defensive coordinator seemed to know just what scheme to call almost every play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAWG91 Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 (edited) 4 hours ago, d0tc0m said: I'd say Graham's QB is not quite as good as Whitehead, but the Steers defense is much better than Lampassas' was. Lest we forget some fun Carthage/Graham history ... Allllll the way back to 2009: the Case McCoy-led Graham Steers gave the Dawgs their biggest State Title game scare in Surratt's era. Carthage managed to win 13-12 in an absolute SLUG FEST. It was a super fun game to watch and was maybe (Carthage fans will have to help me here) the Dawgs' least talented team to win a state championship. At any rate, that game obviously does not have any impact on this potential matchup we're talking about. And I'd say the 2024 Dawgs are much better than the 2009 version. BUT, there is at least a fun historical anecdote to remember, because the Steers were in no way shape or form outmatched in that game. That group went 16-0 and up until that point had the best defense Ive ever seen a Dawg team put on the field. At least my .02. I think the "least talented" team was probably 2016. That's the group that lost to both hendo and kdogs in district and snuck in the playoffs with 3rd place. I also think that's the last time a Carthage team lost a district game. Edited November 11 by DAWG91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0tc0m Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 12 minutes ago, DAWG91 said: That group went 16-0 and up until that point had the best defense Ive ever seen a Dawg team put on the field. At least my .02. I think the "least talented" team was probably 2016. That's the group that lost to both hendo and kdogs in district and snuck in the playoffs with 3rd place. I also think that's the last time a Carthage team lost a district game. They actually went 15-1. Lost the opener to Kilgore. But yes, really good defense. And I agree with your assessment about 2016. I think they were somewhat of a surprise Carthage state title team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAWG91 Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 (edited) 6 minutes ago, d0tc0m said: They actually went 15-1. Lost the opener to Kilgore. But yes, really good defense. And I agree with your assessment about 2016. I think they were somewhat of a surprise Carthage state title team. 2009 was 16-0. First in school history. https://www.smoaky.com/statsrecords/view-modern.php?ArticleID=169 Edited November 11 by DAWG91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0tc0m Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 9 minutes ago, DAWG91 said: 2009 was 16-0. First in school history. https://www.smoaky.com/statsrecords/view-modern.php?ArticleID=169 My mistake! Must have my years mixed up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboyandchrist Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 19 minutes ago, d0tc0m said: My mistake! Must have my years mixed up! Got to remember the Dawgs offense in 2009 turned the ball over 4 time and dropped 3 TD passes. The Dawg defense won that ball game. It should have not been that close. Defense bailed out the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAWG91 Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 38 minutes ago, d0tc0m said: My mistake! Must have my years mixed up! That one stuck with me since it was the 1st 16-0. No worries! There's so many it's getting hard to keep track. That's a great problem to have! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotton84 Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 46 minutes ago, d0tc0m said: My mistake! Must have my years mixed up! Maxpreps has Kilgore winning the first game of the year one year, that Carthage actually won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Rab Posted November 11 Author Share Posted November 11 16 hours ago, cotton84 said: Graham - think Lampasas with Ace Whitehead at QB or Glen Rose in 2022……If the Region 2 winner has a bad game or their front 7 on defense doesn’t play disciplined football, Graham and their QB is good enough to make it interesting. If Graham runs into a team that can score on them, then they will be in trouble. I have a hard time putting them as a favorite to go that far, because I think their offense is kind of stagnant. They could prove me wrong, but the defense and dline fuel that team. If you burn that D a few times, it may spell trouble for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BevBrownJr Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 2 hours ago, DAWG91 said: That group went 16-0 and up until that point had the best defense Ive ever seen a Dawg team put on the field. At least my .02. I think the "least talented" team was probably 2016. That's the group that lost to both hendo and kdogs in district and snuck in the playoffs with 3rd place. I also think that's the last time a Carthage team lost a district game. I agree with this. Carthage also had a rather miraculous win against Silsbee in bi-district that year. Silsbee was in the red zone about to go up by two scores with less than two minutes left… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantherNation2015 Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 10 minutes ago, BevBrownJr said: I agree with this. Carthage also had a rather miraculous win against Silsbee in bi-district that year. Silsbee was in the red zone about to go up by two scores with less than two minutes left… Many of the playoff games in 2016 were close for Carthage. 34-30, 33-31, 27-26, 26-20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Parr 2004 Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 2 minutes ago, PantherNation2015 said: Many of the playoff games in 2016 were close for Carthage. 34-30, 33-31, 27-26, 26-20. That 26-20 game was a triple overtime thriller vs. China Spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Rab Posted November 11 Author Share Posted November 11 27 minutes ago, Coach Rab said: If Graham runs into a team that can score on them, then they will be in trouble. I have a hard time putting them as a favorite to go that far, because I think their offense is kind of stagnant. They could prove me wrong, but the defense and dline fuel that team. If you burn that D a few times, it may spell trouble for them I change my mind, I just peeked at Region 1, and I now have Graham as my heavy favorite to come out of R1. Their first challenge should come in the Regional Semis vs Glen Rose who has put up some points, but their schedule was less than impressive this year. Nonetheless, they still stomped the teams that they should have. The R1 finals should feature a rematch of them and Brock in my opinion with the same outcome as last time. Some of the following has some bias for Mineral Wells, but I believe we can make it to week 3 if we knock off Benbrook this week. This is my fantasy playoff run: Area MW vs Midland-Greenwood Brock vs Estacado Graham vs Perryton Glen Rose vs Seminole Regional Semis Mineral Wells vs Brock Graham vs Glen Rose Regional Finals Brock vs Graham State Semis Graham vs R2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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