1OfTheHasBeens Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Let the debate begin, with his number is his latter years you have to give him at least a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPapaBear Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 He is the best hitter ever in baseball. Ted Williams is the only one to rival him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshClub22 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 two years ago i would agreed withthis statment, now i dont believe so......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chase.colston Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Originally posted by BigPapaBearHe is the best hitter ever in baseball. Ted Williams is the only one to rival him. What about: 1. Ty Cobb 2. Rogers Hornsby 3. Joe Sewell (struck out 114 times in 20+ year career) 4. Babe Ruth 5. Shoeless Joe Jackson 6. Pete Rose 7. Hank Aaron 8. Willie Mays And more recently: 1. Alex Rodriguez 2. Albert Pujols That's 10 players right there who can easily "rival" him. This is still not taking into account alleged steroid use, which was never such a case with any of the above players I mentioned. Even if we consider Bonds innocent, these players still "rival" him. You can't make a blanket statement unless you consider players who are still superior to him in similar categories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat_20 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 He might have one of the best mechanical swings in the game because it is so short and stays inside his body so long to maximize his power, but I don't know about him being the greatest hitter of all time. I would have to say that still belongs to Ted Williams. :happy65: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jthomp25 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 yes he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baseballstar6906 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 i think Pujols will be the best hitter around with some amazing numbers in a couple years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razzledazzle Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clawsnstripes Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 with the steroid cloud hanging around, i'd say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino2K Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 N* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoelessjoelives Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 What is the definition of greatest hitter ?? Highest average, most homers, most hits or what.......? barry is not on the top in either category. Ruth and Williams were the best if you think about it. Both had lifetime batting average's of over .340 and both had 700 plus career homers (if you factor in Ted's 5 missed season's due to his military service). Ted and Babe were great for their entire career's and not just in the last 5 or so ( barry had that tremendous Hulk-like transformation due to his healthy and hearty diet :thumbdown: !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVH_Fan Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 No No way at all. Babe Ruth and Ted Williams were both far greater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seminole44 Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 Babe Ruth is the way better than Bonds, how many games has Bonds pitched and won? and only the Babe could smoke a pack of cigarettes a day and come to the stadium drunk and go 3 for 4 with 2 HR's 5 RBI and pitch a complete game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max89 Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 no he is not and with the balco scandal his name is forever tainted... arod and pujols will be the best out of this era Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonattsu Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 Originally posted by BigPapaBearHe is the best hitter ever in baseball. Ted Williams is the only one to rival him. My question for you is this: How do you judge who is the greatest hitter ever? Homeruns, batting avg., hits, etc......this is the era of offense.....But what about someone like Ty Cobb (who played in an era dominated by pitching) or Pete Rose??? Ty Cobb batted .366 (or .367 depending on the source) over a 22 season career!!!!!!!!! Major Leaguer's today are lucky to even hit .340 in ONE SEASON...... He was once the career leader in steals and hits, now #2 in hits behind Pete Rose......Rose is now the career leader in hits, if total hits is how you judge it, and Hank Aaron is the Homerun leader with 755 if you judge it that way, but by all accounts Josh Gibson hit somewhere around 900 or more in the negro leagues, but due to lack of official records it is not possible to prove it.......So can anyone really claim that anyone is truly the greatest ever?? I don't think it is...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonattsu Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 Originally posted by MantleLives4EverWhat about: 1. Ty Cobb 2. Rogers Hornsby 3. Joe Sewell (struck out 114 times in 20+ year career) 4. Babe Ruth 5. Shoeless Joe Jackson 6. Pete Rose 7. Hank Aaron 8. Willie Mays And more recently: 1. Alex Rodriguez 2. Albert Pujols That's 10 players right there who can easily "rival" him. This is still not taking into account alleged steroid use, which was never such a case with any of the above players I mentioned. Even if we consider Bonds innocent, these players still "rival" him. You can't make a blanket statement unless you consider players who are still superior to him in similar categories. Agreed Mantle, I made my previous post before reading your post and couldn't agree with you more about your choices.....I just do not think that it is possible to actually name a #1 ever, way too many talented players with incredible stats to back up anyone's arguments.....I'd also like to add another couple to that list though: How about Josh Gibson and "Cool Papa" Bell, arguably the fastest player in the history of Pro baseball? Satchel Paige was once quoted as saying that cool papa was so fast that he could turn off the light switch and be in bed before the lights turned off...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirate4 Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 Originally posted by Rhino2K4N* Haha, i like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheaptrick77 Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 Originally posted by jasonattsuby all accounts Josh Gibson hit somewhere around 900 or more in the negro leagues, but due to lack of official records it is not possible to prove it....... FYI -- those "900" home runs (historian John Coates credits him with 823) were not hit solely in the Negro Leagues -- the total also includes home runs he hit in various Carribean Winter Leagues ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonattsu Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 Originally posted by cheaptrick77FYI -- those "900" home runs (historian John Coates credits him with 823) were not hit solely in the Negro Leagues -- the total also includes home runs he hit in various Carribean Winter Leagues ... True, there were even a few hit in exhibition games with major leaguer's.....Truth is, no one really knows just how many he really hit, but even though myth and legend have clouded the truth, no one can deny that he was a terrific hitter....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gehrig Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 I read an article many years ago that ranked the Hall of Famers in every offensive statistic. A total was computed and the rankings were as follows: 1. Lou Gehrig 2. Ted Williams 3. Babe Ruth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iluvfatgrls Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 Barry Bonds is always going to think the white man is out to get him. He needs to relax and know that he is hated for his poor attitude and steriod use but not for his color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoelessjoelives Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 Don't forget all that armor that he has on his right elbow area. Ted and Babe or anyone else back then.........never needed that shielding. They stood up there like a man and HIT !! When barry started wearing that protection, he started down the wrong roid, again. .......... !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMbone Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 No he is not the best hitter. The best hitter ever could take a low and away pitch down the third base line. pitch bonds low and away he'll ground out 90% of the time. To me Pujols is better now than bonds ever was or could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoelessjoelives Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Originally posted by GehrigI read an article many years ago that ranked the Hall of Famers in every offensive statistic. A total was computed and the rankings were as follows: 1. Lou Gehrig 2. Ted Williams 3. Babe Ruth Right, don't forget that Columbia Lou had his historic career cut short by a tragic disease. Figure his stats if he would have played another 6 or 7 years. Truly great numbers would have been posted by Lou !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EB75 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Originally posted by MantleLives4Ever Originally posted by BigPapaBearHe is the best hitter ever in baseball. Ted Williams is the only one to rival him. What about: 1. Ty Cobb 2. Rogers Hornsby 3. Joe Sewell (struck out 114 times in 20+ year career) 4. Babe Ruth 5. Shoeless Joe Jackson 6. Pete Rose 7. Hank Aaron 8. Willie Mays And more recently: 1. Alex Rodriguez 2. Albert Pujols That's 10 players right there who can easily "rival" him. This is still not taking into account alleged steroid use, which was never such a case with any of the above players I mentioned. Even if we consider Bonds innocent, these players still "rival" him. You can't make a blanket statement unless you consider players who are still superior to him in similar categories. Plus, these guys have done it their entire career, not just they last couple of years. To put it into perspective, Pujols is finishing his 5th year and has been clutch every year. Bonds has not had 5 consecutive years, without any eyebrows raised, of this kind of production, and in clutch situations. The last two NLCS series against the Astros have proven this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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