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Is Barry Bonds truly the greatest?


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Originally posted by BigPapaBear

He is the best hitter ever in baseball. Ted Williams is the only one to rival him.

 

What about:

 

1. Ty Cobb

2. Rogers Hornsby

3. Joe Sewell (struck out 114 times in 20+ year career)

4. Babe Ruth

5. Shoeless Joe Jackson

6. Pete Rose

7. Hank Aaron

8. Willie Mays

 

And more recently:

 

1. Alex Rodriguez

2. Albert Pujols

 

That's 10 players right there who can easily "rival" him. This is still not taking into account alleged steroid use, which was never such a case with any of the above players I mentioned. Even if we consider Bonds innocent, these players still "rival" him. You can't make a blanket statement unless you consider players who are still superior to him in similar categories.

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He might have one of the best mechanical swings in the game because it is so short and stays inside his body so long to maximize his power, but I don't know about him being the greatest hitter of all time. I would have to say that still belongs to Ted Williams. :happy65:

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What is the definition of greatest hitter ??

 

Highest average, most homers, most hits or what.......?

 

barry is not on the top in either category.

 

Ruth and Williams were the best if you think about it.

 

Both had lifetime batting average's of over .340 and both had 700 plus career homers (if you factor in Ted's 5 missed season's due to his military service).

 

Ted and Babe were great for their entire career's and not just in the last 5 or so ( barry had that tremendous Hulk-like transformation due to his healthy and hearty diet :thumbdown: !!

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Originally posted by BigPapaBear

He is the best hitter ever in baseball. Ted Williams is the only one to rival him.

 

My question for you is this: How do you judge who is the greatest hitter ever? Homeruns, batting avg., hits, etc......this is the era of offense.....But what about someone like Ty Cobb (who played in an era dominated by pitching) or Pete Rose??? Ty Cobb batted .366 (or .367 depending on the source) over a 22 season career!!!!!!!!! Major Leaguer's today are lucky to even hit .340 in ONE SEASON...... He was once the career leader in steals and hits, now #2 in hits behind Pete Rose......Rose is now the career leader in hits, if total hits is how you judge it, and Hank Aaron is the Homerun leader with 755 if you judge it that way, but by all accounts Josh Gibson hit somewhere around 900 or more in the negro leagues, but due to lack of official records it is not possible to prove it.......So can anyone really claim that anyone is truly the greatest ever?? I don't think it is......

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Originally posted by MantleLives4Ever

What about:

 

1. Ty Cobb

2. Rogers Hornsby

3. Joe Sewell (struck out 114 times in 20+ year career)

4. Babe Ruth

5. Shoeless Joe Jackson

6. Pete Rose

7. Hank Aaron

8. Willie Mays

 

And more recently:

 

1. Alex Rodriguez

2. Albert Pujols

 

That's 10 players right there who can easily "rival" him. This is still not taking into account alleged steroid use, which was never such a case with any of the above players I mentioned. Even if we consider Bonds innocent, these players still "rival" him. You can't make a blanket statement unless you consider players who are still superior to him in similar categories.

 

Agreed Mantle, I made my previous post before reading your post and couldn't agree with you more about your choices.....I just do not think that it is possible to actually name a #1 ever, way too many talented players with incredible stats to back up anyone's arguments.....I'd also like to add another couple to that list though: How about Josh Gibson and "Cool Papa" Bell, arguably the fastest player in the history of Pro baseball? Satchel Paige was once quoted as saying that cool papa was so fast that he could turn off the light switch and be in bed before the lights turned off......

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Originally posted by jasonattsu

by all accounts Josh Gibson hit somewhere around 900 or more in the negro leagues, but due to lack of official records it is not possible to prove it.......

FYI -- those "900" home runs (historian John Coates credits him with 823) were not hit solely in the Negro Leagues -- the total also includes home runs he hit in various Carribean Winter Leagues ...

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Originally posted by cheaptrick77

FYI -- those "900" home runs (historian John Coates credits him with 823) were not hit solely in the Negro Leagues -- the total also includes home runs he hit in various Carribean Winter Leagues ...

True, there were even a few hit in exhibition games with major leaguer's.....Truth is, no one really knows just how many he really hit, but even though myth and legend have clouded the truth, no one can deny that he was a terrific hitter.......

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Don't forget all that armor that he has on his right elbow area.

 

Ted and Babe or anyone else back then.........never needed that shielding. They stood up there like a man and HIT !!

 

When barry started wearing that protection, he started down the wrong roid, again. .......... !!

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Originally posted by Gehrig

I read an article many years ago that ranked the Hall of Famers in every offensive statistic. A total was computed and the rankings were as follows:

1. Lou Gehrig 2. Ted Williams 3. Babe Ruth

 

Right, don't forget that Columbia Lou had his historic career cut short by a tragic disease.

 

Figure his stats if he would have played another 6 or 7 years. Truly great numbers would have been posted by Lou !!

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Originally posted by MantleLives4Ever
Originally posted by BigPapaBear

He is the best hitter ever in baseball. Ted Williams is the only one to rival him.

 

What about:

 

1. Ty Cobb

2. Rogers Hornsby

3. Joe Sewell (struck out 114 times in 20+ year career)

4. Babe Ruth

5. Shoeless Joe Jackson

6. Pete Rose

7. Hank Aaron

8. Willie Mays

 

And more recently:

 

1. Alex Rodriguez

2. Albert Pujols

 

That's 10 players right there who can easily "rival" him. This is still not taking into account alleged steroid use, which was never such a case with any of the above players I mentioned. Even if we consider Bonds innocent, these players still "rival" him. You can't make a blanket statement unless you consider players who are still superior to him in similar categories.

 

Plus, these guys have done it their entire career, not just they last couple of years. To put it into perspective, Pujols is finishing his 5th year and has been clutch every year. Bonds has not had 5 consecutive years, without any eyebrows raised, of this kind of production, and in clutch situations. The last two NLCS series against the Astros have proven this point.

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