qwerty Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Could you compare Gilmer to the Longview team that was loaded with division one talent and lost first round?. Now I know Gilmer is ranked higher than Longview but as we all know rankings are pretty much threw out the window when it comes playoff time. Could Gilmer be a first round bust like Longview?. Same kinda of hype but will it be a different story??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poisoned10 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Yeah. It could very well be like that. In fact, everyone could be a first round bust, not just Gilmer. Remember, Gilmer still has to win enough games to get to the playoffs just like everyone else. Everyone is really quick to put them in a position to lose. It's actually kind of fun being the team that everyone loves to hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poisoned10 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Besides, having several D-1 players on a 3A tea is a lot different compared to a 5A team. As everyone from Gilmer know, 3 D-1 players on a 3A team can take you a long ways. In Gilmers case, the state championship. But in 5A football, 3 D-1 players will help out, but can't really lead their team all the way. So many schools in 5A have several D-1 players. Long story short, they CAN be booted from the playoffs in the 1st round by whoever it is they play, but I don't think your comparison is equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldEagle Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 The only comparison from 3A to 5A is depth. That is the one reason a 3A team could not compete with a 5A team. Everything on paper looks nice but MOST 5A teams in the area would beat Gilmer pretty handily. I know all you Gilmerites think you could compete in the Big 12. Their recruiting budget is much higher than yours though!!!!!! "The information contained within this post is not substantiated nor has it been confirmed, at this point, as fact. Smoaky.com does not endorse this information as factual. It exists for entertainment purposes only until further notice. At the point that the information, within this thread, approaches the level of harmful intent or is deemed "out of control" it will be removed." Lay off the Recruiting accusations unless you can prove them * Rabfan* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36gut Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 I think this first round game with Liberty-Eylau could come down to which team has made it through the season with the least number of injuries to key players. I don't know if the Leopards have as much depth as Gilmer. I am not taking anything away from Canton here, but I would submit that an injury to a very good linebacker the week before might have cost us a TD or two in that game. Kinne was so "in a zone" that night, though. I think it was just his and Canton's night. This thing about being the team people love to hate is really not fair when the team has done nothing to deserve it. The team, most of whom have played together with class, discipline and sportsmanship since junior high days, has no control over the well-known controversies of the last few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdsteele Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 The biggest difference is it looks like Gilmer will play highly regarded LE in the first round if everything goes according to plan. That game can probably be considered a toss up at best and the winner will be lucky to take it. Longview, on the other hand, underachieved against a team that they were supposed to handle. They have a history of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TtownEagle803 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 They had several DI recruits in 04 and it helped to win a title then, I wouldn't expect anything less this year. Gilmer is gonna have a lot of depth at several positions this year. If Kinne goes down at QB you still have Kennedy. They could lose 2 maybe 3 of the WRs and still have a receiving core that will tear secondaries apart. Their offense is stacked, I dunno about their "D" though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobama Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Originally posted by OldEagleThe only comparison from 3A to 5A is depth. That is the one reason a 3A team could not compete with a 5A team. Everything on paper looks nice but MOST 5A teams in the area would beat Gilmer pretty handily. I know all you Gilmerites think you could compete in the Big 12. Their recruiting budget is much higher than yours though!!!!!! It's not even about depth... A 5A team will have athletes at nearly EVERY position, advanced weight training programs, big guys on the lines. Most of these 3A teams have two or three athletes and everyone else on the team is either too small or too slow or not strong enough. You're kidding yourself if you think depth is the only difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted July 7, 2006 Author Share Posted July 7, 2006 Originally posted by poisonednutz10Yeah. It could very well be like that. In fact, everyone could be a first round bust, not just Gilmer. Remember, Gilmer still has to win enough games to get to the playoffs just like everyone else. Everyone is really quick to put them in a position to lose. It's actually kind of fun being the team that everyone loves to hate. I wasnt saying that I hope Gilmer doesnt make it to state. I'm pulling for East Texas to have as many state champs as possible. Yes!, That includes Gilmer...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigStick24 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 i think if gilmer gets anything less than a state title then their season would be a dissapointment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TtownEagle803 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Originally posted by BoBellCrew Originally posted by OldEagleThe only comparison from 3A to 5A is depth. That is the one reason a 3A team could not compete with a 5A team. Everything on paper looks nice but MOST 5A teams in the area would beat Gilmer pretty handily. I know all you Gilmerites think you could compete in the Big 12. Their recruiting budget is much higher than yours though!!!!!! It's not even about depth... A 5A team will have athletes at nearly EVERY position, advanced weight training programs, big guys on the lines. Most of these 3A teams have two or three athletes and everyone else on the team is either too small or too slow or not strong enough. You're kidding yourself if you think depth is the only difference. I strongly believe that most if not all 3A teams wouldn't actually be able to compete with the big boys of 5A. But you're crazy if you think that there arent any 3A teams with athletes at every position. Hutto was pretty well stacked with kids that were definitely not undersized or too small or too weak. And to say that its not even about depth...okay then take ONLY the Starters from SLC and Gilmer....just the 11 on offense and the 11 on defense with no back ups and let them play. Do you really think SLC would kill them?? Not really, so yeah depth has alot to do with the difference in 3A and 5A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poisoned10 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Originally posted by OldEagleI know all you Gilmerites think you could compete in the Big 12. Their recruiting budget is much higher than yours though!!!!!! You are greatly miss informed. If you will go back and look at pretty much every post made from a Gilmer poster, then you will notice we are all pretty worried about just getting past the 1st round of the playoffs. Enough with everyone thinking that everyone from Gilmer belives we are better than everyone and can beat any football team in the world. And enough about the recruiting accusations. It's starting to get really old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TtownEagle803 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Yeah....its gettin pretty old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steers4State Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 It should be very interesting.That's all im saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steers4State Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 And on another note ....YES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duderino Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 I don't really see anybody stopping Gilmer in East Texas. I'm not saying its impossible, just unlikely. IMHO 5-A is different that way because even a mediocre 5-A team still has very good athletes and some depth at every position. If a team that is better than them is having an off night they may be able to seak up on them. But in 3-A the difference between mediocre and great is far wider. A team as good as Gilmer (assuming all of its players are on the field and not sick or injured) would never lose to a mediocre 3-A team. Now that's not to say you couldn't have a very good 3-A team that could beat Gilmer. Atlanta comes to mind. It seems like they have the athletes to compete with anyone on any given night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdsa Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Originally posted by DuderinoNow that's not to say you couldn't have a very good 3-A team that could beat Gilmer. Atlanta comes to mind. It seems like they have the athletes to compete with anyone on any given night. ...and they've had back to back 3 win seasons since winning it all. Even the teams with talent rich histories go through dry spells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frisco1970 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 I agree with TTownEagle on the Gilmer/Southlake starters quote. Being from the Dallas area, I have seen Both teams. Gilmer HAS MORE athletes than Southlake but Carroll has WAY more depth and will wear you out! I feel that's what will happen alot this year concerning the Buckeyes. If they don't have anyone going both ways like a lot of 3A schools do, WHO has a chance in the second half? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLine06 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Originally posted by qwertyCould you compare Gilmer to the Longview team that was loaded with division one talent and lost first round?. Now I know Gilmer is ranked higher than Longview but as we all know rankings are pretty much threw out the window when it comes playoff time. Could Gilmer be a first round bust like Longview?. Same kinda of hype but will it be a different story??? No you can't compare them. The thing I see between Gilmer 06 vs. Longview 05 is the coaching. This might step on some toes but, I truly believe when you have kids such as Vondrel McGee, a FB like Chris Ivory, big o-lineman ready to go down the trenches and do amazing things that maybe you need to go away from the comfort zone of running the option and go with an offense that will better suit your athletes. In my personal opinion I believe Coach King didn't do his job. I may be a spectator but I also have some insight into the game of football not as a player but a little bit of coaching (not powderpuff but sitting down with other coaches across the nation and learning each consistent philosophy). With those kids at the RB and FB position, most likely had they went to the zone offense, that would of gave them more touches of the ball. That's what I thought hurt Longview the most is not giving your RB more touches esp. when he can go the distance on any play. That's why I think Gilmer shouldn't be a flash in the pan, those kids know how the spread offense system works. It's a matter of them coming together as a team, knowing their assignments/timing and EXECUTION. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdsa Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Originally posted by DLine06I also have some insight into the game of football not as a player but a little bit of coaching (not powderpuff but sitting down with other coaches across the nation and learning each consistent philosophy). ...and he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. :tongue: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Originally posted by Frisco1970I agree with TTownEagle on the Gilmer/Southlake starters quote. Being from the Dallas area, I have seen Both teams. Gilmer HAS MORE athletes than Southlake but Carroll has WAY more depth and will wear you out! I feel that's what will happen alot this year concerning the Buckeyes. If they don't have anyone going both ways like a lot of 3A schools do, WHO has a chance in the second half? I have seen both teams as well. You're dreaming in technicolor if you think Gilmer has MORE athletes than SLC. Position by position, on both sides of the ball, Gilmer simply doesn't have the size or athletes to compete with a SLC or Highland Park. It would be a blowout of epic proportions by SLC even without getting to the the depth issue! :w00t: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed3 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Originally posted by KirtFalcon I have seen both teams as well. You're dreaming in technicolor if you think Gilmer has MORE athletes than SLC. Position by position, on both sides of the ball, Gilmer simply doesn't have the size or athletes to compete with a SLC or Highland Park. It would be a blowout of epic proportions by SLC even without getting to the the depth issue! :w00t: That statement will get them stirred up. Get ready to hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPS1435 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Actually Gilmer did play SLC twice in the early 90s. This was long before the airball developed by Robertson, Todd Dodge, et. al including Jeff Traylor came into being. SLC was awesome and handle us easily. I was grateful when they moved to 4A. Of course others had been happy to see them leave 2A and 1A. But now they have gone about as far as they can go. Anyway, they have an awesome program whatever the system they use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangepower Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 who said nobody would stop gilmer last year? once again ur bias and hatred against the buckeyes gets in the way of the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangepower Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 a lot of the gilmer "yahoos" predicted last year would be rebuilding after losing so many seniors. nobody in gilmer thought they would run through east texas. i dont remember how bad the refs were but i do remember gilmer playing with horrible execution that game. daingerfield played a good game too. what about the game that really counted that year? are you bitter that gilmer ended daingerfields season again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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