Tatum?

[AnOldBuckeye]

Originally posted by OldBat

it is people like you that give the Gilmer team a bad reputation for being poor winners------I say good game to both teams--by the way I am from Gilmer and congratulate my buckeyes and wish them continued success--Also, good luck to the Tatum team

 

I think you misunderstood Buckeye1980, and what he was saying. He wasn't slamming Tatum,, he was just saying that they lost. Someone had to lose last night, and it was an awesome game played by two awesome teams. But because Tatum was ranked #1, and Gilmer #2 in 3-A,,, who ever lost would "possibly" be moved down a notch or two. That is a feasible idea, but I think considering the situation last night, that Tatum will maintain their #1 ranking, and they should.

 

I hate the idea of anyone picking up some little tidbit someone says,, and not necessarily understanding exactly what they were saying, and then deciding that folks from Gilmer are arrogant and a bunch of braggers. These forums are a bit like emails,,, written words can sometimes be misunderstood, because they don't always know the emotions of the poster. You people who aren't from Gilmer,,, please don't judge people from Gilmer just because of something someone on here says after a game. 99.9% of all the folks from Gilmer are good solid folks, and fans of our team. If you lived here, you would understand that. This is a great town to live in. Try to give someone online at least a little benefit of the doubt.

 

Trust me,, Everyone who saw the game last night from Gilmer,, would give Tatum plenty of respect. They played a fantastic game last night against the Buckeyes,, who also played a fantastic game. Breaks went both ways. Mistakes went both ways,,, it all ironed itself out in the end,, and neither team had any reason to hang their heads,,, or put their noses in the air after it was over.

 

Great game guys,, to both teams. Let's carry the class and tradition both teams showed, on to the State Championship for both East Texas towns.

[OldBat]

The post that I replied to was a line of smiley faces laughing. It has been removed!

Of course a team was going to loose. I too am glad our buckeyes came out the winner. I am just as proud of them as the next, and continue to wish them well "onto state" and will be there through it all. Just do not like laughing at a team that has lost, it is poor sportsman conduct and not at all a example of the majority of the Gilmer fans and I do not wish to be included in the bad example.

The example the boys set before the game was great and I know Jeff Traylor is a very good role model for these boys.

[AnOldBuckeye]

Originally posted by Triponthephone

Tatem did not have as many guys as gilmer that was ther down fall i bet if the went head to head with the first-streangers then it would have been a different outcome tatem hade mor skill there.

 

First of all,,, spell "TATUM" right,,, it's um,, not em. Secondly,, how can you say Tatum had more skill? Did you not watch Justin Johnson,, G.J. Kinne, and Curtis Brown, and Jamall Kennedy? Had both teams played the starters both ways like Tatum did,, it may have been closer,, but you can't say who would have won. Why do folks make these "if" scenario's?? If a frog had wings and a landing gear,, he wouldn't bump his rear end on the ground every time he hopped would he?? Please folks,,, just accept games as they happen,, Both teams played hard,, with class and character,, and valiantly. Gilmer won,, not only because Tatum played lots of guys both ways. Not because the refs didn't call it right. Not because the moon was nearly full. It's just how the game worked out. As I recall,, Curtis played defensive back along with Lamar on many series. So did Justin Johnson. Congratulations to both teams on a game very very well played.

[AnOldBuckeye]

Originally posted by OldBat

The post that I replied to was a line of smiley faces laughing. It has been removed!

Of course a team was going to loose. I too am glad our buckeyes came out the winner. I am just as proud of them as the next, and continue to wish them well "onto state" and will be there through it all. Just do not like laughing at a team that has lost, it is poor sportsman conduct and not at all a example of the majority of the Gilmer fans and I do not wish to be included in the bad example.

The example the boys set before the game was great and I know Jeff Traylor is a very good role model for these boys.

 

I know,,,,,,,, and I know what you meant. And any Buckeye fan who would make fun of another team,, is an embarassment to Gilmer,,, and any true sports fan. Both you and I know that the vast majority of Gilmer fans,, are not like that. And I don't like being lumped into the same bushel of apples with people who act that way either.

One of the things we have gotten used to in Gilmer,, is seeing our team play with class and sportsmanship. It's drilled into them from the first time they put a Buckeye uniform on in 7th grade, and follows them all through High School. We as fans,, should always show the same class and sportsmanship.

And Oldbat,, (I have a hard time calling you by your username) LOL but I know you know most of the people up here are very good sports and fans. That is something we can all be proud of. I think we are very blessed to be a part of whats going on within our school,, and athletic program. I'm sure the folks from Tatum feel the same way.

By the way,, the prayer before the game had a tear rolling down my cheeks, I'm not embarassed to tell ya that. :happy:

[TheEaglesWIT]

Originally posted by KirtFalcon

Random thoughts:

 

I think both will remain #1 in most polls . . . and they should.

 

Just as Tatum was outmached by Gilmer mostly because the huge difference in school enrollment, Tatum will outmatch the vast majority of the 2A schools they face for the same reason.

 

Newton may be the only true challenge Tatum would face . . . if they wind up in the same playoff division.

 

I heard the KGAS "homies" whinning all night about how many two-way players Tatum was forced to play vs how few two-way players Gilmer used. The shoe will be on the other foot in 19AA and throughout most of the playoffs, teams like Garrison and Timpson that are half the size of Tatum are forced to play practically all of their players on offense and defense.

 

The KGAS "homies" made several comments indicating the officiating was mostly all going Gilmers way:

On one Gilmer run, "There is a block in the back . . . there's another one"

 

Later in the game as Gilmer was driving there was an on-air "mumble", "I'm not going to say anything else about the officiating"

 

:whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle:

 

Mr. Falcon~

 

Although I think that you respect the Eagle program...it never fails that you post some kind of cheap shot

 

I think that for the most part that when Tatum wins they don't boast and when they lose they don't blame...sure Tatum was upset about a few calls - but 99% of the fans understand that wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game

 

As far as the enrollment figures....2005 Tatum Eagles STATE CHAMPS in 3A!! If we can do it with a low enrollment compared to others - then anyone else can!

[68Hornet]

Tatum may still be No. 1 in 2A, but New Boston deserves consideration. We'll find out in the future.

[NoWakeZone]

i believe the KGAS "homies" as you called them recognized that though calls were being called or not being called, towards the end of the game it was apparent to me as an observer on the tatum side, that there were calls being missed that would have benefited both teams. i think lennon creer put on one hell of a show for the OSU recruiters, and i know the guys from texas were pleased with #3 for gilmer

[TheEaglesWIT]

Originally posted by bigsportsfan

Tatum is just not as good of a team this year. The preseason hype was just too much. They will probably win state, but they are not better than last years team. They miss the senior leadership in McCoy and Blackmon from last season. Don't get me wrong they are a good team - the best in 2A - and I'll be at every game, but they played a superior team and lost.

 

It's too early in the season to say they are not as good as last year...Heck, Tatum barely won their season opener against Jefferson last year and many people were posting on here about this being a "down year" for the Eagles....looked what happened! Tatum will live up to the hype this season...it just wasn't against the Buckeyes - if the L was against an average team then maybe comments like this would be justified...but everyone in East Texas knows that the 2006 Buckeyes are not average!

[KirtFalcon]

Originally posted by TheEaglesWIT

 

 

Mr. Falcon~

 

Although I think that you respect the Eagle program...it never fails that you post some kind of cheap shot

 

I think that for the most part that when Tatum wins they don't boast and when they lose they don't blame...sure Tatum was upset about a few calls - but 99% of the fans understand that wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game

 

As far as the enrollment figures....2005 Tatum Eagles STATE CHAMPS in 3A!! If we can do it with a low enrollment compared to others - then anyone else can!

I don't think I am taking any cheap shots at anyone. Pointing out what the announcers were saying on the air isn't a cheap shot. Also, just pointing out that it's a lot easier to compete when you are at the larger end of a classification, enrollment wise. Tatum, like Garrison was very successful and both were STATE CHAMPS as one of the smallest schools in their respective classifications. Tatum deserves a lot of credit for their success in 3A and will be even more of a powerhouse program in 2A because they are now one of the largest schools in their classification.

 

Good luck to Tatum in 06 . . . I'll be rooting for the Eagles throughout the playoffs. :w00t:

[Sportsfan44]

I know this game had a lot of hype and they rival each other a lot. The game turned out similar to what I thought being Tatum would hang around for a little while but wear down because of numbers in the end. I still think they are the best teams in the state in their respective classes. If my memory serves me right though Gilmer did get an improvement at the QB spot and receiver position which should have made them better at least offensively than they were last year. That could have been a little of the edge between the two schools IMO.. Good luck to both schools and I feel if they can limit injuries they will both win state this year.

[NoWakeZone]

sept 29, 2006 tatum and garrison will tee it up and i PROMISE you Mr Falcon, you Garrison bulldogs will go home with your tails b/w your sawed off legs

[TheEaglesWIT]

Originally posted by KirtFalcon

Originally posted by TheEaglesWIT

 

 

Mr. Falcon~

 

Although I think that you respect the Eagle program...it never fails that you post some kind of cheap shot

 

I think that for the most part that when Tatum wins they don't boast and when they lose they don't blame...sure Tatum was upset about a few calls - but 99% of the fans understand that wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game

 

As far as the enrollment figures....2005 Tatum Eagles STATE CHAMPS in 3A!! If we can do it with a low enrollment compared to others - then anyone else can!

I don't think I am taking any cheap shots at anyone. Pointing out what the announcers were saying on the air isn't a cheap shot. Also, just pointing out that it's a lot easier to compete when you are at the larger end of a classification, enrollment wise. Tatum, like Garrison was very successful and both were STATE CHAMPS as one of the smallest schools in their respective classifications. Tatum deserves a lot of credit for their success in 3A and will be even more of a powerhouse program in 2A because they are now one of the largest schools in their classification.

 

Good luck to Tatum in 06 . . . I'll be rooting for the Eagles throughout the playoffs. :w00t:

 

 

The cheap shot comes in the form of allowing other teams to make excuses as to why they lost to Tatum....it's laying the foundation for "we lost to Tatum, BUT" instead of giving credit to a solid program...If the KGAS announcers did the same thing on behalf of Tatum, then I would disagree with that too - I mean sure it's a no brainer that the fewer players you have, the more downs an individual will have to play and the more tired you will become, hence the need of classifications in the first place.

 

It is an obstacle to overcome, but so is home field advantage, injured players, etc.

[KirtFalcon]

Originally posted by NoWakeZone

sept 29, 2006 tatum and garrison will tee it up and i PROMISE you Mr Falcon, you Garrison bulldogs will go home with your tails b/w your sawed off legs

You are totally misinterpreting my comments. I have never once said Garrison was capable of competing with Tatum this year. I don't think anyone in 19AA is even close to Tatum's caliber of team. :whistle:

[NoWakeZone]

youre right i did misinterpet what you were saying, Garrison is not capable of competing with tatum

[NBhardhitta757]

gilmer has like 40 something players to tatum's how many???

[GTownballer]

Their rankings should stay the same. But who knows. Those people who make the post's of what if's, bad call's, making comments on the radio, what I heard on Kykx was some quy saying Gilmer recruits , and has the best team money can buy, but the truth is, Gilmer has the best Coached and conditioned atheletes a 3A school system could ever possibly ask for. Traylor had Evans on his heels from the opening bell. Again great effort by Coach Evans and his team, and good luck the rest of the way!

[poisoned10]

According to the Gilmer program, Gilmer has 54 players and Tatum has 43. And I know that 1 of the Gilmer players listed wasn't on varsity yesterday. So Gilmer had only about 10 more players than Tatum. The overall number isn't the difference. The difference is Gilmer rotates in about 30 kids, maybe more, on offense and defense. That is where Gilmer out numbered them.

[BurntOrangeBuxFan]

I agree with poison.

 

Several weeks prior to the game all the Tatum posters were saying...we can beat Gilmer, we have more skill, blah, blah, blah.

 

Now, after the game is over, it's ..... they had more kids, the refs did a bad job, blah, blah, blah

 

How about: Both teams did a great job. The Gilmer players and coaches did a great job of preparing for the game. It's been no secret that Gilmer's depth would be one of the keys.

 

Quit whining. Referees don't account for a 24 point difference.

[SHO-TIME]

Ok can SOMEONE please tell me this??? wasn't the big difference in the game happened to be FATIGUED?? I mean c'mon now...Tatum was giving Gilmer a run for there money until fatigued played in....wasn't that the factor and NOT the referees?

[EtFbfan]

hey, take away those wut 3 turnovers inside the 10 by tatum and also that int inside the 20 that gilmer returned for a TD, and you got one heck of a game.

[TheEaglesWIT]

Originally posted by BurntOrangeBuxFan

I agree with poison.

 

Several weeks prior to the game all the Tatum posters were saying...we can beat Gilmer, we have more skill, blah, blah, blah.

 

Now, after the game is over, it's ..... they had more kids, the refs did a bad job, blah, blah, blah

 

How about: Both teams did a great job. The Gilmer players and coaches did a great job of preparing for the game. It's been no secret that Gilmer's depth would be one of the keys.

 

Quit whining. Referees don't account for a 24 point difference.

 

Maybe it's just me, but I was thinking just the opposite. Some other faithful Smoaky.com posters from Tatum and myself were talking about how cordial the posts were prior to this game...I think considering the attention of the game there wasn't much trash talking on behalf of either team's fans before the game.

 

I really don't think much whining has occured either - yes, if Tatum scored everytime they were in the red zone and if the INT TD wasn't called back the score would have been much closer, but afterall that's why we play the game.

 

To keep this game in perspective..it is equivalent to a Gilmer/Texas High game, only in this case Gilmer would be the lower classification...Would Gilmer need to hang their head if they lost to a powerhouse 4A team? Of course not, and neither should Tatum for losing to a powerhouse 3A team!

 

..we don't know where people actually are from when they make stupid comments, but Tatum has heard the recruiting comment on more than one occassion...so it shouldn't have been one of our faithfuls

[Guest TtownEagle803]

Originally posted by EtFbfan

hey, take away those wut 3 turnovers inside the 10 by tatum and also that int inside the 20 that gilmer returned for a TD, and you got one heck of a game.

 

Yeah...but ya cant take em away. Either way it was still a heck of a game in my opinion. Tatum lost to a loaded 3A team....they didnt get beat by an average 2A squad or something. Tatum will wreck shop in 2A.

 

And to burntorangebuxfan.....Yeah, the Tatum fans on smoaky were saying that we believed we could beat Gilmer. Didnt you believe that yall could beat Daingerfield in the regular season last year? You cant negate a fan for believing their team could beat another. And Gilmer would apear to have the edge but if we met again later down the road maybe we could take away some of those turnovers in the red zone and make it a close ballgame or even come out on top just the way yall did with D-field last year. But thats neither here nor there. No chance of that, and no I'm not tryin to stir up any stink over it. Gilmer is a powerhouse, I'm not disappointed in Tatum at all. Sure, we coulda had less turnovers and the defense coulda played a little better. But it was a great pre-district challenge that we fell short of, but we saw good things against a team that nobody in 2A will even come close to. Yeah....its an L in the loss column but it sure did point out what needs to be worked on before we head into district. And the people that you are talking about making excuses and blaming the refs are mostly not even from your regular Tatum posters. The majority of the Tatum posters are posting nothing but stuff full of class.

[ridgemont4]

I still believe Tatum can beat Gilmer any given friday!

[jd63238]

Originally posted by BurntOrangeBuxFan

I agree with poison.

 

Several weeks prior to the game all the Tatum posters were saying...we can beat Gilmer, we have more skill, blah, blah, blah.

 

Now, after the game is over, it's ..... they had more kids, the refs did a bad job, blah, blah, blah

 

How about: Both teams did a great job. The Gilmer players and coaches did a great job of preparing for the game. It's been no secret that Gilmer's depth would be one of the keys.

 

Quit whining. Referees don't account for a 24 point difference.

 

 

Classless Gloating by BurntOrangeBuxFan!

Conratulations to Gilmer and the fans in which the majority knows how to win with class.

[TexRob61]

geez, i wondered how long before the kumbayah moment would end. take a terrific nite for etex high school football and watch it deteriorate. both teams could keep their #1 status tho tatum might fall with some voters just seeing the score without knowing the story. if ths executes better when fatigued it would be a different story even if the same outcome. give gilmer credit...that is an offensive powerhouse going with amazing athletes. give ths credit for keeping the ball with a good ground game for the game. the officials didnt change the outcome. i wasnt crazy about their calls either way. a big game like this should get big game refs who can keep up with the speed etc. i say that having NO clue how they were chosen other than usual way. take that with a grain of salt. ths wore down as most people thot they would. ghs displayed their weapons PLUS executed well. the bottom line is that with the way we are set up in texas it doesnt mean squat to be #1 in september...its december that counts. :thumbsup: