Twentytwo Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 I wouldnt call myself a moderate but I dont allow my political stance to affect my beliefs. I dont see how that makes me not have a backbone. Not saying anyone has said that, just saw that posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straw Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 I vote for the lessor of two evils. I realize that is a matter of opinion but what else do I have? Both parties are poopie heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Originally posted by TxEaglecallerJust because I dont toe the party lines does not mean I do not make a stand...My Stands are based on what I believe on issues and they vary from issue-to-issue. Anybody who has actually taken the time to read my posts know my posts are based on my beliefs as well. I have been outspoken against republicans and dimocrats as well when I disagree with either. I don't toe the party line either, so to speak. I disagree with many things both President Bush and the republicans have done since they took control of the White House and congress. Spending is out of control and I blame everyone from President Bush on down. I disagree with Bush on immigration and think he is probably one of the worst communicators to ever hold his office. He should have taken his case to the public, like Reagan, far sooner and far more often instead of allowing the media to distort the facts. I am furious at the republican congress and Bush for not living up to many things they campaigned and won on. I think they have abandoned their conservative base in many ways. That said, I will still speak out against a biased liberal media and their obvious double standard every time I see it displayed. I will also oppose liberal views when I disagree with their idiocy. I believe Foley should be expelled from congress and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. However, I will again point out there was no such outrage in the media and in congress when far worse behavior was demonstrated by more than one liberal dimocrat. I am a conservative Reagan republican and I long for the day when we have more men of that mold running our country! :whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voted4Dubya Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 This whole thing is wierd. I figured the Democrats would be supporting the homosexual since they rely on the homosexual vote to win what elections they can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Something I didn't know: The age of consent in D.C. is 16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bordertown Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Doesn't matter if you are an elected official the laws of the land do not apply whether you are democrat or republican. I think all the rules on harassment were weakened by the prior President. I think most Americans have properly assessed the Foley situation. Everything from here on out is a witch hunt. What does it matter to the Democrats about who knew? What were they going to do? When Bill Clinton used an intern as a humidor, they did not call for his resignation. Is sex chat worse than the actual act? Foley has been dealt with appropriately. He disgraced his family, his country, and his party. Bill Clinton did the same, but he is still the hero of his party!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Btown,you nailed that like a pit bull on a biscuit. Interesting to see the rebuttals on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 With leadership like Hilary, Kennedy, and Kerry it's natural Clinton wouldn't have any problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1HJPURIOD Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 Originally posted by MiddleWith leadership like Hilary, Kennedy, and Kerry it's natural Clinton wouldn't have any problems. these people cry to much to run my country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhornfan Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 Originally posted by bordertownBill Clinton did the same, but he is still the hero of his party!!!! Do you honestly believe Clinton was the first sex scandal with an intern in Washington D.C.? Also, how do we know Foley has been dealt with appropriately? There have been other pages come out about dealings with Foley as far back as '98. It has not been announced yet as to whether or not any of these were physical. And it looks like others that knew about the situation just pushed it under the rug. The only reason Bush is backing the speaker is because elections are so close. I truly believe if this came out next January, the Republicans would be calling for more than just Foley's head. Originally posted by MiddleWith leadership like Hilary, Kennedy, and Kerry it's natural Clinton wouldn't have any problems. I couldn't vote for any of the first three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 Me either. Bleh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bordertown Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 Originally posted by LhornfanDo you honestly believe Clinton was the first sex scandal with an intern in Washington D.C.? I don't know of any other President sexually harassing an intern. I am sure it has occurred by staff members. I know John Kennedy was a womanizer. I am sure history has a long line of mistresses from both parties. Clinton's actions with an intern are at the same level as Foley's with a page. Both represent youth that is entrusted to our government leaders, which has been violated. Foley is out of office. The legal system takes over from here. How he is dealt with for his alleged crimes will be played out over the months ahead. I hope he gets time if guilty with a maximum sentence. A person who makes the laws the rest of us have to live under deserves to be held to a higher standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhornfan Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I don't think they are the same. Monica was 22, and the pages spoken of are 15-16. Clinton was morally wrong. Foley's advances are morally wrong and illegal. Plus, we still don't know the extent of the Foley situation. I think they booted him so quick to hide something. That tends to be how politicians work. Bottomline here: Foley's situation is with a child. Maybe not to you and I, but according to laws, 15-year olds are still children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearBryant Posted October 9, 2006 Author Share Posted October 9, 2006 You keep mentioning CLinton yet conveniently leave off Gerry Studds. The bottom line is that Foley is gone while Studds got a high five from the Democrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhornfan Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 I've never heard of Gerry Studds. I'm not a political person. I supported Clinton, and I've supported Bush. Why? They are the President of the United States. See, somewhere along the way, we thought it would be a great idea to get as much trash as possible on the current president and possibly get him thrown out of office. This is supposed to strengthen our country. It's also supposed to strengthen our country to make Bush look like an idiot on TV. I'm not saying I'm for these men using their power to get whatever they want, but I am for these men doing what's necessary to strengthen our country. How soon we have forgotten how patriotic the US became after the attacks of 9/11. Where are all the US Flags now? Have these men made mistakes? Of course. So have I, so have you. Luckily you and I don't have our mistakes put on national television. I'll finish with this. I think Clinton did an exceptional job as president of our country. He did everything with Starr looking over his shoulder trying to get him impeached. It seems as if everything he did was questioned because he made a mistake. Yes he lied to the American public. I also remember Bush Sr. campaigning on a platform of "No New Taxes." Guess what he did after he won? So he too lied to the American public. The sad truth is no matter who becomes president these days, they will be immediately put under the microscope. The opposing party will do whatever is necessary to get them out of office and the next man or woman in office. How much stronger might we be if we faught the same battle? I understand the different parties because of checks and balances and such, but it should still be for the betterment of our nation when it comes to policy on capitol hill. Heck, our state government can't even accomplish much because all they do is cancel each other out. The only thing they can agree is to give themselves more money. That is why I hate politics, and I will never trust a politician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhornfan Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 Originally posted by BearBryantYou keep mentioning CLinton yet conveniently leave off Gerry Studds. The bottom line is that Foley is gone while Studds got a high five from the Democrats. I googled Gerry Studds and read about the sex scandal in 1983. It also said he was not given a standing ovation by Congress, but it happened in his hometown. Ironically, Daniel Bever Crane, a Republican congressman, was also part of the same sex scandal, except his was with a girl. He received the same deal as Studds. The difference was he lost his re-election and went back to dentistry. Studds went on to win 5 more times. I personally think they should have both been fired on the spot and put in jail. That's what they would have done if this happened at a high school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 Originally posted by LhornfanI've never heard of Gerry Studds. I'm not a political person. I supported Clinton, and I've supported Bush. Why? They are the President of the United States. See, somewhere along the way, we thought it would be a great idea to get as much trash as possible on the current president and possibly get him thrown out of office. This is supposed to strengthen our country. It's also supposed to strengthen our country to make Bush look like an idiot on TV. I'm not saying I'm for these men using their power to get whatever they want, but I am for these men doing what's necessary to strengthen our country. How soon we have forgotten how patriotic the US became after the attacks of 9/11. Where are all the US Flags now? Have these men made mistakes? Of course. So have I, so have you. Luckily you and I don't have our mistakes put on national television. I'll finish with this. I think Clinton did an exceptional job as president of our country. He did everything with Starr looking over his shoulder trying to get him impeached. It seems as if everything he did was questioned because he made a mistake. Yes he lied to the American public. I also remember Bush Sr. campaigning on a platform of "No New Taxes." Guess what he did after he won? So he too lied to the American public. The sad truth is no matter who becomes president these days, they will be immediately put under the microscope. The opposing party will do whatever is necessary to get them out of office and the next man or woman in office. How much stronger might we be if we faught the same battle? I understand the different parties because of checks and balances and such, but it should still be for the betterment of our nation when it comes to policy on capitol hill. Heck, our state government can't even accomplish much because all they do is cancel each other out. The only thing they can agree is to give themselves more money. That is why I hate politics, and I will never trust a politician. I do believe this is the best post made in this forum in a very long time. I applaud you, Lhornfan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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