kylews8973 Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 So...am I alone here in saying that the Cowboys went just a little linebacker crazy? the two DE's we drafted (Butler and Williams) are both under 250 pounds (so i've read) so it's safe to assume those guys will be linebackers in our system....so with those two, plus Hodge and Jason Williams, we have 4 linebackers. Seems to me we waited too late to get a safety and wide receiver, not to mention we only chose 1 offensive lineman. And don't get me started on us getting a kicker in the 5th round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badblackcat Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 I like it. Dallas didn't sit back and wait for Ellis to get older and our pass rush to stay the same...they went out and got at least two more pass rushers. 3rd downs ought to be very interesting...Wade gets to show his mad genius side. Dallas loaded up on good tacklers, violent hitters, and guys that can all come in immediately to play special teams. Hodge and Hamlin can come in and play the '46' position. Jason Williams effectively takes over for Burnett. Butler and Williams fill out the OLB spots the way the Steelers have been doing for years. Philips can play the F-back, Mickens and Smith add corner depth, Beuhler to get some better kickoffs. All are high character, hard-working types...camp should be fun this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylews8973 Posted April 26, 2009 Author Share Posted April 26, 2009 I like it. Dallas didn't sit back and wait for Ellis to get older and our pass rush to stay the same...they went out and got at least two more pass rushers. 3rd downs ought to be very interesting...Wade gets to show his mad genius side. Dallas loaded up on good tacklers, violent hitters, and guys that can all come in immediately to play special teams. Hodge and Hamlin can come in and play the '46' position. Jason Williams effectively takes over for Burnett. Butler and Williams fill out the OLB spots the way the Steelers have been doing for years. Philips can play the F-back, Mickens and Smith add corner depth, Beuhler to get some better kickoffs. All are high character, hard-working types...camp should be fun this year. That's fine in theory, but lets be realistic....they won't sign everyone of these guys....knowing that, why couldn't they draft for need? With their first pick being in the second round, I had no problem with them trading out, considering all of the players they wanted were gone. So with their first pick being in the third round, I didn't expect any gamebreakers in this draft. But....4 linebackers on this team is too many to draft. You don't work an entire draft to improve your special teams when you have other glaring holes. Just my opinion, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrankThatCrabtree Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 I was pretty mad that we didn't draft Derrick Williams in the 3rd round, he would have been explosive as a slot receiver and explosive as punt returner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevosev7 Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 That's fine in theory, but lets be realistic....they won't sign everyone of these guys....knowing that, why couldn't they draft for need? With their first pick being in the second round, I had no problem with them trading out, considering all of the players they wanted were gone. So with their first pick being in the third round, I didn't expect any gamebreakers in this draft. But....4 linebackers on this team is too many to draft. You don't work an entire draft to improve your special teams when you have other glaring holes. Just my opinion, though. lets also face it...dallas needs one more linebacker...zach thomas proved that with his mediocre play last year...bradie james and ware are great, but we run a 3-4 not 4-3...so we need some more linebackers...plus special teams really hurt us last year...remember special teams alone lost us the game against arizona with an opening kickoff return, a missed fieldgoal and a blocked punt return for a TD...so perhaps we do need some improvement on special teams...and with that many players, there is bound to be a sleeper in there somewhere. not to mention with hodges size...if he loses 15 pounds and improves his speed, dallas could be looking to turn him into a safety...but then again the tatum guys would know more than i would...could this be a possibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevosev7 Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 also a thought...nick folk did not get a single touchback last season...as a matter o fact he actually had some boneheaded kickoffs...i'm sure that is one reason they are bringing in the strong legged trojan kicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxBroadcaster Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 That's fine in theory, but lets be realistic....they won't sign everyone of these guys....knowing that, why couldn't they draft for need? With their first pick being in the second round, I had no problem with them trading out, considering all of the players they wanted were gone. So with their first pick being in the third round, I didn't expect any gamebreakers in this draft. But....4 linebackers on this team is too many to draft. You don't work an entire draft to improve your special teams when you have other glaring holes. Just my opinion, though. Teams get in trouble when they begin "drafting for need" over best player on the board...Just look at the Late 90's drafts when Dallas was in need of a pass rushers and reached for Shante Carver and Kavicka Pittman. They went with what their board had as far as value for pick...now we will see if that board was good or bad...I know ALOT of people will blame Jones or praise him depending on how this draft goes, but it is the scouts that set the board, not Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirtFalcon Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 Some one said all the players they wanted were gone by the time their turn came in the second round. That's even more of a reason to take the best player available at that point rather than waiting for even more talent to go by the boards. Brilliant strategy!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueHustle05 Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 I like this draft class for a couple of reasons, first the Cowboys were not going to get anyone that is going to challenge for a starting job. It just won't happen, we have too much talent on paper. Second what were our problems last year...special teams and depth. We covered both of those with this draft. Everyone wanted us to draft a reciever high. Well how many receivers and history will back me on this actually become good in there first and second year. The learning curve for a NFL receiver is so great that is why people like Mike Williams, Charles Rogers, Heyeward Bey(calling this one early) and countless others become bust. Just becuase you can run a fast 40 doesnt mean you will be a good receiver. The best run 4.5 to 4.6. Give this draft class a chance they might suprise you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badblackcat Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 That's fine in theory, but lets be realistic....they won't sign everyone of these guys....knowing that, why couldn't they draft for need? With their first pick being in the second round, I had no problem with them trading out, considering all of the players they wanted were gone. So with their first pick being in the third round, I didn't expect any gamebreakers in this draft. But....4 linebackers on this team is too many to draft. You don't work an entire draft to improve your special teams when you have other glaring holes. Just my opinion, though. There's going to be some cuts, that's for sure. They way the Cowboys went about this, everyone in camp will be fighting hard for their jobs. We definitely needed more fast-twitch speed backers for our defense, and we got them. The way I see it, these drafted guys will be forcing out some of our lower roster guys. J. Williams takes over for Burnett, Butler and B. Williams force out Matt Stewart and Octavian. Hamlin forces out the invisible man himself, Courtney Brown. Hodge takes Keith Davis' spot. Mickens forces out Alan Ball, Brewster will problably force out either Proctor or McQuistan. It's been flying around for months that Dallas needed not more talent, but more heart and character. These guys all have it, and some of them gives us some violent hitters that we've been missing for awhile. I think I would have rather had Dorell Scott than McGee, that's about my one point of contention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylews8973 Posted April 27, 2009 Author Share Posted April 27, 2009 also a thought...nick folk did not get a single touchback last season...as a matter o fact he actually had some boneheaded kickoffs...i'm sure that is one reason they are bringing in the strong legged trojan kicker. This guy better kick it through the uprights at least once a game with us taking him in the fifth. Naw, I didn't even think about Folk's Terrible kickoffs last year. I guess taking a kicker makes more sense now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 i've heard rumors that this buehler kid can play mutliple positions. maybe they can find him a spot somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylews8973 Posted April 27, 2009 Author Share Posted April 27, 2009 i've heard rumors that this buehler kid can play mutliple positions. maybe they can find him a spot somewhere else. Yeah I've heard this kid is a kicker/athelete, if there is such a thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 at the best these kids come in hungry challenge for a job, push the vets. at the worst, we'll draft somebody next year or so to take their spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badblackcat Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 Yeah I've heard this kid is a kicker/athelete, if there is such a thing He apparently also plays FB and safety. At the combine he out-repped many players at these positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGR Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 I would love to see a kick-off specialist/FB on the game day roster. This Kicker is an athlete. The pick threw me for a loop until I looked at the guy closer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiftysix Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 wow, in one year the cowboys draft two players that i lined up against in high school.. pretty cool both these guys hodge and johnson should make the team.. and i think especially hodge will be a pretty good nfl player one day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 do you see hodge as ss type or olb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueHustle05 Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 I see them as a Hybrid type player. He is not that great in coverage but he can hit. If he loses 15 lbs he will be a safety if not he will be a back up and a great special teams play. Hey we could always have him or Manny run the wildcat since both were running QB's in high school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badblackcat Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 do you see hodge as ss type or olb? I'm assuming your question is open to anybody. Cowboys are already saying Hodge will be an ILB. I'm assuming they mean a guy that can be a linebacker in nickel/dime situations. I initially thought that besides special teams, he'd be a valuable guy for the 46 defense we want to use more of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HvilleCat23 Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 well glad to see some texas talent stay in texas... i think the cowboys made some good decisions... seems like we would be a little more worried about the offense just a little bit since thats what we struggled with last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 who starts at ss? ken hamlin, sensabaugh. hamlin, or hodge possibly? with williams gone hodge might could slide back. have a roy clone who could cover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggie2008 Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 Hey we could always have him or Manny run the wildcat since both were running QB's in high school. Early indications are that if Jones has his way, McGee may be the one seeing snaps in a wildcat-type set this season. Not sure if the gameday roster spots will work out like that, but Jerry's favorite QB in the draft was McGee and he stated several times he wanted to draft a guy to run the wildcat. Having a fast QB that can also throw the ball accurately downfield against man coverage is crucial to the season-long success of that formation. This draft for the Cowboys was all about depth. They didn't lose a lot of guys from last year like the Eagles or Giants and didn't have glaring needs. I don't think that WR will be a huge concern within the organization considering guys like Hurd, Crayton and Austen have all been productive and Martellus Bennett and Jason Witten are physical freaks that can line up anywhere and create mismatches. The need for a wideout to "replace" Terrell Owens was a national media concern, not a concern within the organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THSfanatic Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 I don't think that WR will be a huge concern within the organization considering guys like Hurd, Crayton and Austen have all been productive You've got to be kidding. Crayton is serviceable, Hurd & Austin have not distinquished themselves at all IMO. I think Crayton is a nice #3 receiver & I can see him doing okay as a #2. I don't see the other 2 as offering much. I just don't see this offense working since it seems to be geared for running now & we have a scramble & sling it QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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