Fivehead Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 We are in the middle of a war with Islamic terrorists and the leading candidate for president of one of our two major parties is a Muslim named Barack Hussein Obama. Makes me think about the old days, when Benito T. Hitler ran for president in '44. And when Ho Chi Minh and Pol Pot teamed up on the Democratic ticket in '68. Oh yeah, that never happened. That was back when the U.S. was still populated by reasonable human beings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bleeds Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Whether he is an Islamic fundamentalist or not, it kills me that more people aren't at least curious about it. I know what Snopes says, but I'm skeptic of just about anything I read on the WWW. Why does he get a pass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straw Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 If it walks, looks and has the same name as a duck, then it might be a duck! :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medman7 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/australia.asp Check out the Australian Prime Ministers has to say about the influx of Muslims and other illegal Aliens into their country. America Needs A Leader Like This! Prime Minister John Howard -Australia Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out ofAustralia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks. Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: 'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks onBali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.' 'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom' 'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society Learn the language!' 'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.' 'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.' 'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.' 'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.' An yet people are trying to elect an "under cover" one as the next president of the US. Scary!!!! He may me a self made sleeper cell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 So he might be Muslim, so what? If he's not a part of the minority of crazy Muslims out there, how does it hurt our efforts in the Middle East if we are willing to vote in a Muslim president? Logic would point towards the idea that it would help. And a name is a name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fivehead Posted February 4, 2008 Author Share Posted February 4, 2008 So he might be Muslim, so what? We're at war with Muslims, that's what. If we were at war with the Irish, I would hope we wouldn't vote for a first or second generation Irishman named Sean O'Feeny. We have degenerated into a nation of blithering idiots, thanks in no small part to political correctness run amok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fivehead Posted February 4, 2008 Author Share Posted February 4, 2008 So he might be Muslim, so what? If he's not a part of the minority of crazy Muslims out there, how does it hurt our efforts in the Middle East if we are willing to vote in a Muslim president? Logic would point towards the idea that it would help. And a name is a name. And another thing about your reply...... Wow, it sure would be great to have a Muslim president! I just know that would make Bin Laden and his group just as pleased as punch! They'd probably not only stop trying to kill us, they might invite us over for cake and cookies! And their would be peace in our time. Wait, I think I've heard that on before. Maybe in 1938. Maybe from the weak kneed lily livered appeasement specialist Neville Chamberlain, refrerring to the relative harmlessness of the Nazis, just before they bombed the hell out of London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medman7 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 political correctness run amok. 4 very powerful words that have truly played a great role in the dramatic moral and ethical decline of this nation! Good Summary!! :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stSuperScot Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 So he might be Muslim, so what? If he's not a part of the minority of crazy Muslims out there, how does it hurt our efforts in the Middle East if we are willing to vote in a Muslim president? Logic would point towards the idea that it would help. And a name is a name. Because what a person believes to be true matters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildcatPride Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 So he might be Muslim, so what? If he's not a part of the minority of crazy Muslims out there, how does it hurt our efforts in the Middle East if we are willing to vote in a Muslim president? Logic would point towards the idea that it would help. And a name is a name. More Muslims have been killed by Muslims than any other group. Want to run that through the logic loop again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CNOrtega Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 So by Fivehead's logic, anyone with an Italian name is a mobster, anyone with a Russian name is a Communist, and everyone with a Spanish name is in a drug cartel. I don't know what's funnier, the fact that you know he's not Muslim but still claim he is, or the fact that his having a Muslim name is the biggest thing people find wrong with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluePirate Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 I don't know what's funnier, the fact that you know he's not Muslim but still claim he is, or the fact that his having a Muslim name is the biggest thing people find wrong with him. Not the biggest thing, just one of the many things. Certainly, IMO, his stance on abortion is a rather large thing wrong with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 So by Fivehead's logic, anyone with an Italian name is a mobster, anyone with a Russian name is a Communist, and everyone with a Spanish name is in a drug cartel. I don't know what's funnier, the fact that you know he's not Muslim but still claim he is, or the fact that his having a Muslim name is the biggest thing people find wrong with him. For once, I agree with you, Ortega. I can find a plethora of other more meaningful things to not want Obama elected besides his religion (which, if I remember correctly, freedom of such is a cornerstone of our country, regardless of the fact that it's mere speculation on the part of posters here that he might be Muslim) and his name (which, again, is just a name, just words). I'm sorry I'm not scared into being paranoid like some of you when it comes to Muslims. Last time I noticed, our armed forces were doing a good job of killing radical Muslims. So if you're that scared of electing a man who might-just-maybe-possibly be a Muslim, you might want to have a little more faith in our boys in uniform or our country's new-fangled ability to defend itself at home. It has nothing to do with political correctness; it has everything to do with common sense. It doesn't much matter if Obama is a Muslim or not in the context of radical Islam and terrorists versus a Christian president or any other religion for that matter. It might matter to you, if he were in fact Muslim (again, speculation) that he would hold a certain set of beliefs different than your religious complexion (much like the fact of Mitt Romney being Mormon can raise those questions). I can find many other things to fault the guy for. The least of my worries are what he writes when he signs his signature and speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluePirate Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 I can find many other things to fault the guy for. The least of my worries are what he writes when he signs his signature and speculation. Does that mean others have to do the same? Can't they decide for themselves, what they want to fault a presidential candidate for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Does that mean others have to do the same? Can't they decide for themselves, what they want to fault a presidential candidate for? Never said they couldn't. Where'd you get that from? I'm just going to point out the irrelevant nature of the argument. A guy like Obama, while not on the level of Hillary, still has plenty of shortcomings and wacko ideas. I don't see the reason to focus on speculation that he's a Muslim and the coincidence of his name (I see the irony, but honestly, argument against his name?!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluePirate Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Never said they couldn't. Where'd you get that from? I'm just going to point out the irrelevant nature of the argument. A guy like Obama, while not on the level of Hillary, still has plenty of shortcomings and wacko ideas. I don't see the reason to focus on speculation that he's a Muslim and the coincidence of his name (I see the irony, but honestly, argument against his name?!). Come on Middle. You said... "I'm not scared into being paranoid like some of you when it comes to Muslims." Why can't it be a deal breaker for some if Obama is a Muslim? Why, in your opinion, is that person "paranoid"? IMO, the arguement you see as irrevelant is clearly revelant to some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Definitely could be a deal breaker if he was a Muslim; I said that. If I were of a certain religious school of thought and felt his was different from mine, it would make perfect sense. Again, as I said, some of the people who don't support Romney do so because he is a Mormon. However, the argument here is on speculation and further assumption that if he is a Muslim, he's in some sort of consortium with radical Muslims/terrorists. That's called paranoia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluePirate Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 However, the argument here is on speculation and further assumption that if he is a Muslim, he's in some sort of consortium with radical Muslims/terrorists. That's called paranoia. I don't see that as being the argument at all. But… if that is the argument, why would it be paranoid to think a Muslim may be sympathetic to some of the Islamic fundamentalist causes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Hey, if you want to, that's your choice. I'll still point out obvious questions, though. And making the connection of him maybe being a Muslim with radical Islamic terrorists is like connecting George Bush to David Koresh because Bush is a Christian and Koresh was a radical Christian (terrorist?). The fact that Obama wants to socialize medicine should be enough to pass on voting for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fivehead Posted February 5, 2008 Author Share Posted February 5, 2008 The fact that Obama wants to socialize medicine should be enough to pass on voting for him. At least we have some common ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluePirate Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Hey, if you want to, that's your choice. I'll still point out obvious questions, though. And making the connection of him maybe being a Muslim with radical Islamic terrorists is like connecting George Bush to David Koresh because Bush is a Christian and Koresh was a radical Christian (terrorist?). The fact that Obama wants to socialize medicine should be enough to pass on voting for him. Like you said earlier, there are plenty of reasons not to vote for Obama. If someone thinks Obama being or not being a Muslim is good enough for them to not vote for him, hey, fine by me. It's actually great by me. But... comparing a Muslim and Islamic fundamentalists is no where near like comparing Bush and Koresh when obviously Bush is the only Christian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fivehead Posted February 5, 2008 Author Share Posted February 5, 2008 So by Fivehead's logic, anyone with an Italian name is a mobster, anyone with a Russian name is a Communist, and everyone with a Spanish name is in a drug cartel. I don't know what's funnier, the fact that you know he's not Muslim but still claim he is, or the fact that his having a Muslim name is the biggest thing people find wrong with him. His affiliation with his particular branch of the "Church of Christ", while in itself racist and disturbing, is a mere cover for his Muslim upbringing. I currently attend the Catholic church, but that certainly does not make me a Catholic. My wife is Catholic, I was raised in the "real" Church of Christ (the one that acknowledges that white people have rights, unlike Mr. Obama's bastardization of the Church of Christ). Hell, I could call myself a kangaroo, but that wouldn't make me one. He is Muslim to the core. Don't be fooled. And, by the way, I realize I'm risking being banned for this but I fear you are in the group of politically correct blithering idiots I referred to earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stSuperScot Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 The fact that Obama wants to socialize medicine should be enough to pass on voting for him. Yeah, that ranks higher... along with being for gay marriage, for unfettered abortion, for narrowing second amendment rights, for raising taxes on the successful and productive, for appropriating the private property of dead people, for surrendering Iraq back to al-Quaeda, for amnesty to criminal aliens... I guess if he got past all those litmus tests, then I'd have to consider his religious affiliation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluePirate Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Assuming he did squeak by, how does he fare on the religious affiliation litmus test? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stSuperScot Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Assuming he did squeak by, how does he fare on the religious affiliation litmus test? From what I can tell he might fail on either the closet muslim test or the African nationalist test..... that said, I am strongly considering voting for Obama in the Democratic primary. I'd say the chances are pretty good that I will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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