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  1. 1. Who wins?

    • Longview in a blow out
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With longview being already really strong in the running game and run defense, they should start doing fully padded 7 on 7 drills in practice. Do it all practice if you have to. Until then, run the ball the entire game if you have to. The Mt P and SS games should also be used to work on passing. I can see them lobos making a long run if they can do this.

We do a pass skeleton drill every practice. The problem with our passing game is the execution, not the schemes. Too many poorly thrown balls and drops to wide open receivers. On defense, it sounded like one blown coverage (execution) and one missed tackle in the secondary (execution) that led to big plays for Marshall. I hope we work on execution more than anything.

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You mean the game where we blew a 17 point leads to Guyer? The one where we kicked to Trey Williams? How about the one where we gave up two or 3 defensive touchdowns ?

 

Get real man. We haven't been beaten by more talented teams outside of last year and 08 against Lake Travis. We have, however, been grossly out coached.

I agree 100%

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Yes. Guyer had more talent than us in 2010 and Dekaney did in 2011. Both schools sent more players than us to D-1 schools, as did LT in 2009, LT in 2008, Westlake in 2012, and others, since that was the metric that YOU brought up. Yeah, we gave up defensive TDs to Westlake, but that was how their defense was against everybody that year. Besides, if you're talking about defensive TDs, that's more on player execution than a play that a coach calls. But of course execution are on coaches as well and our players are the best of the best every year who should never lose a game. Even if we DID get outcoached in some of those games, there's no shame in losing to some of those coaches like Chad Morris, Walsh, etc.

 

I love how this has always been a thing around Longview. The people who may or may not have coached some of the players in pee wee and whatnot keep telling them how talented they are, how the coaches are misusing them, etc. Then they let it get to their heads that they're better than the coaches and they don't work hard, don't prepare, and usually get beat, but of course it's coaching. It's the same thing that happened back when the players staged a "walkout" in Bero's last year.

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Yes. Guyer had more talent than us in 2010 and Dekaney did in 2011. Both schools sent more players than us to D-1 schools, as did LT in 2009, LT in 2008, Westlake in 2012, and others, since that was the metric that YOU brought up. Yeah, we gave up defensive TDs to Westlake, but that was how their defense was against everybody that year. Besides, if you're talking about defensive TDs, that's more on player execution than a play that a coach calls. But of course execution are on coaches as well and our players are the best of the best every year who should never lose a game. Even if we DID get outcoached in some of those games, there's no shame in losing to some of those coaches like Chad Morris, Walsh, etc.

 

I love how this has always been a thing around Longview. The people who may or may not have coached some of the players in pee wee and whatnot keep telling them how talented they are, how the coaches are misusing them, etc. Then they let it get to their heads that they're better than the coaches and they don't work hard, don't prepare, and usually get beat, but of course it's coaching. It's the same thing that happened back when the players staged a "walkout" in Bero's last year.

So what is your solution? Stick with the same scheme that takes the ball away from the kids who do show up to play? When was Moore's first touch last night? Why do we continue to target players who consistently drop balls? I agree with you to an extent, but the coaches need to step up and get our top performers touches.

 

We can talk all day about who is to blame for what, but I don't think even the staunchest of King's fanboys will argue the time management issues. On that point there is absolutely shame in losing to Walsh when the loss comes as a result of poor coaching and time management.

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So what is your solution? Stick with the same scheme that takes the ball away from the kids who do show up to play? When was Moore's first touch last night? Why do we continue to target players who consistently drop balls? I agree with you to an extent, but the coaches need to step up and get our top performers touches.

 

We can talk all day about who is to blame for what, but I don't think even the staunchest of King's fanboys will argue the time management issues. On that point there is absolutely shame in losing to Walsh when the loss comes as a result of poor coaching and time management.

If your going to tie every loss to coaching then you need to tie every win to coaching as well. And in that case you are far superior. The only thing left is the talent and that point has already been made.
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Yes. Guyer had more talent than us in 2010 and Dekaney did in 2011. Both schools sent more players than us to D-1 schools, as did LT in 2009, LT in 2008, Westlake in 2012, and others, since that was the metric that YOU brought up. Yeah, we gave up defensive TDs to Westlake, but that was how their defense was against everybody that year. Besides, if you're talking about defensive TDs, that's more on player execution than a play that a coach calls. But of course execution are on coaches as well and our players are the best of the best every year who should never lose a game. Even if we DID get outcoached in some of those games, there's no shame in losing to some of those coaches like Chad Morris, Walsh, etc.

 

I love how this has always been a thing around Longview. The people who may or may not have coached some of the players in pee wee and whatnot keep telling them how talented they are, how the coaches are misusing them, etc. Then they let it get to their heads that they're better than the coaches and they don't work hard, don't prepare, and usually get beat, but of course it's coaching. It's the same thing that happened back when the players staged a "walkout" in Bero's last year.

 

The deep run I feel like you guys should have won was the loss to Pflugerville in 2007???

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I agree UnclePig. Clint Harper has done an outstanding job since returning to Marshall. Playoff appearance his first year. Playoff win his second season. And now in his third a POSSIBLE undefeated district championship. His theme coming in was "Regain Respect" and i think mission accomplished. The school board deserves some credit in recognizing what he would bring and giving him the opportunity.

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I agree UnclePig. Clint Harper has done an outstanding job since returning to Marshall. Playoff appearance his first year. Playoff win his second season. And now in his third a POSSIBLE undefeated district championship. His theme coming in was "Regain Respect" and i think mission accomplished. The school board deserves some credit in recognizing what he would bring and giving him the opportunity.

You are correct Real Mavfan. He has done a wonderful job.

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Marshall is the new beast of the east. I didn't think that would happened, especially not this year. Y'all will be rank now and have that target on your back.

 

I do think we are headed in the right direction still..... I'm loving where Coach Harper is leading us.... IN A HURRY....

 

But we haven't done anything yet. Not belittling beating Longview, because that's never an easy task, particularly for us.

 

But we are 10 years out from our last district championship, five years out from being at least 3 rounds deep, and 19 years from our last perfect season.

 

We still have much work to do. Not just this year.... but sustainability like what we've seen from Longview and LP. We had that in the 80's and 90's. And we had it again briefly from 2004-2010-ish.....

 

But we haven't proven to be a "reload not rebuild" program. That's a goal on the horizon.

 

I'm just hoping for the day when fans say: Longview, Lufkin, JT, AND Marshall..... instead of Longview, Lufkin, JT, and everyone else......

 

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Marshall is the new beast of the east. I didn't think that would happened, especially not this year. Y'all will be rank now and have that target on your back.

Longview is still the beast, this 1 win over them temporarily tames them. They will be more fierce than ever going forward and won't toy around trying to do something they are not next year...

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Rewatching the game and this is the closest in size and athleticism we've been to Longview in years usally Longview walks out and there's a thought of dang we're out gunned wasnt the case this year. I'd reckon that's a deviation not the start of a trend.

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Rewatching the game and this is the closest in size and athleticism we've been to Longview in years usally Longview walks out and there's a thought of dang we're out gunned wasnt the case this year. I'd reckon that's a deviation not the start of a trend.

Mavs had better receivers...playmakers which Lobos don't have...
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Rewatching the game and this is the closest in size and athleticism we've been to Longview in years usally Longview walks out and there's a thought of dang we're out gunned wasnt the case this year. I'd reckon that's a deviation not the start of a trend.

where are you rewatching the game?

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If longview would have stick with the running game and play lobo football .We still have a lots to look forward to. It hard for anyone to stop. Plus we have a good bunch of kids coming up . JV team is the largest team i seen in a long time .

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22 catches for 394 and 5Tds was leading the district I believe had 183 on 5 catches and a TD Friday night

but he's not the #1 right? Trel is right? Dabbs just terrorized Lobos corner. I actually think Lobos played man. I think that was new. It coulda been worse...I know Mavs dropped I believe two surefire TD's. One I know atleast.

 

I know it's a few Lobos mad as hell but I'm not. I'm more disappointed at the lack of things for years not being corrected. I can live with the bad receiver play cause Lobos don't have any go gettas at the receiver position. But the gotdang secondary issue just really blows my mind every freaking year! And honestly...it feels like it's being deliberately to prove a point! I mean hello McFly...is anybody home?? It's not working! 11-16 for 300+ yards?!? We always get killed like that!

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